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From: MikeE@ster.invalid
arlen holder wrote:
> Mike Easter wrote:
>
>> I don't know what you are doing that makes you feel that you need to
>> obscure your IP from your nntp provider.
>
> Hi Mike Easter,
>
> You got that completely wrong. :)
> o I'm not sure why, as normally you can see the obvious.
>
> Plus, I've said why I obfuscate the headers a thousand times.
>
> It's not my ISP nor my NNTP provider that I care most about
> o Although, this does have that effect
>
> It's the real world that I care about:
> o Some nntp servers don't even obfuscate the IP (e.g., netfront)
However, most do. Almost all, in fact.
> o Some never change their obfuscation algorithm (e.g., aioe)
However, most obfuscation is completely adequate.
> o Some change the obfuscation only monthly (e.g., mixmin)
Not many use mixmin.
> o Some never change the per-user obfuscation (e.g., eternal sept)
> etc.
That doesn't mean that you can decode it; nor does it mean that you know
or don't know whether they do or don't change what they do. It is one
thing to say "That is the same connectivity." and it is quite another to
say, "I know what that connectivity is."
>> For this particular usage of usenet for these groups we are
>> participating right now, I don't see that to be necessary at all.
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> That's like saying you don't see any reason for freedom.
Not it is not. You are creating a strawman argument of the most blatant
kind.
> Or like saying you can't imagine why countries have borders.
> Or like saying you can't see any reason for automotive door locks.
> etc.
A whole line of strawmen.
> You can _say_ all that - but you're saying something meaningless.
> o Worse, your claim reeks of utter and complete ignorance. :)
Just because my pov is different from yours doesn't make mine ignorant.
> Perhaps the best way to respond to your comment is to reflect
> on how Snowden responded to people like you about privacy:
> o In one quote, Snowden just destroyed the biggest myth about privacy
>
I'm not against privacy concerns. My point is to balance and 'guide'
one's privacy concerns.
You haven't yet convinced me that you should be hiding your IP from your
nntp provider for these conversations we are having here. I don't
disagree with the avoidance of broadcasting your IP address to everyone
on usenet.
>> if you are involved in some clandestine activity on usenet which could
>> get you into trouble with some entity then that is another matter.
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> I can see around corners, where I completely comprehend
> your veiled accusation, which is made out of your total ignorance.
I'm not accusing you of anything. I'm contrasting different usages of
usenet with privacy concerns. If we are having a conversation like
this, I don't believe one needs to hide their IP from their IP provider;
but I agree that one should not use an nntp provider which exposes their
nntp connectivity IP if that IP does represent their *actual*
connectivity IP.
> I wish you wouldn't speak out of utter ignorance like that.
> o Lots of people are just as ignorant as you appear to be.
I wish you wouldn't drop down to ad hominem remarks when your pov is
challenged.
> The only response i will prove is this EXACT QUOTE from the above.
>
> "At one point, Snowden brought up a common defense from people
> who come down on the side of the government:
> "I don't care if they violate my privacy; I've got nothing to hide."
>
> He then proceeded to obliterate that argument.
>
> "Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because
> you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't
> care about free speech because you have nothing to say,"
> he said.
>
> In other words, the right to privacy, just like the right to
> free speech, is fundamental for all Americans.
>
> Snowden added that people who use the "I have nothing to hide"
> line don't understand the basic foundation of human rights.
> "Nobody needs to justify why they 'need' a right," he said.
> "The burden of justification falls on the one seeking to infringe
> upon the right."
The business of arguing for privacy in general does not provide a
worthwhile argument about my POV about any necessity to conceal your or
my connecting IP from my nntp provider for this particular conversation.
However, some other conversation in some other usenet group in some
other country might endanger the participant and they should figure out
how they are going to hide their IP from their nntp provider.
> Mike Easter,
>
> Rest assured, while I'm only of average intelligence (if that),
> I completly comprehended your veiled accusation.
I don't consider it an accusation if I mentioned that under some
circumstances one might want to conceal their IP from their nntp
provider, but that I don't think that most people would need to do that.
I simply said that I didn't believe that this conversation we are
having needs to have someone's IP concealed from their nntp provider --
unless that nntp provider were going to expose it to usenet at large.
> Hence, the burden of proof is on you, Mike, to support your accusation,
> with facts, as any adults should - and not on me to defend against your
> accusation which I know to be made out of complete & total ignorance.
You are mistaken.
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Mike Easter
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