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   From: NOT-SURE@idiocracy.gov   
      
   On 5/7/22 1:43 PM, David Hartung wrote:   
   > On 5/6/22 21:00, Mitchell Holman wrote:   
   >> Just Wondering wrote in news:gLbdK.5571$tTq1.871@fx34.iad:   
   >>   
   >>> On 5/5/2022 7:54 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:   
   >>>> Just Wondering wrote:   
   >>>>> On 5/5/2022 11:59 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:   
   >>>>>> Just Wondering wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Has anybody calculated how much larger the nation's electrical   
   >>>>>>> grid would have to be to power an all-electric vehicle fleet?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Every state promoting EV sales has already done that   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I call Bullshit on that unsupported bullshit.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Explain why every Republican state government is pushing   
   >>>> EV sales if their grids cannot handle it.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The following state governments are offering incentives and   
   >>>> rebates to encourage EV sales, THEY seem to think their   
   >>>> infrastructures can handle them.   
   >>>>   
   >>> Only because EV sales are still minuscule. Fewer than 1% of   
   >>> vehicles on the road, and under 2% of sales, are EV. But what   
   >>> if those numbers increased by two orders of magnitude, if every   
   >>> fossil fuel powered vehicle was replaced by EV vehicles?   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> "Who would buy a horseless carriage   
   >> with gas only availible in hardware stores"?   
   >>   
   >> Henry Ford didn't worry about the   
   >> infrastructure when he flooded the country   
   >> with cheap cars, and he was right. The roads   
   >> got built to accomodate them, the gas stations   
   >> got built to accomodate them.   
   >   
   > Henry Ford made what he thought to be a good business decision,   
   > subsequent events proved him right. You are comparing a buying decision   
   > on the part of an individual with a business decision made by a   
   > manufacturer. Surely you can see the difference.   
   >   
   > The model T was introduced in 1908, gas stations began to appear in   
   > 1913. In turn with the increased demand for gasoline, the oil business   
   > began to grow. All this happened without state incentives to buy   
   > automobiles. Despite all this, there were almost certainly people who   
   > held off on buying a car until they were certain that it would meet   
   > their needs.   
      
   According to Democrats, it was wrong for Henry Ford and government to   
   mandate AUTOMOBILES PURCHASE OR USE... Because they caused GLOBAL   
   WARMING, so why are Democrats and government trying to re-create that   
   same type of mistake. And doing it with batteries in EV's that will   
   cause different damage to the world?   
      
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   "As more and more people in the United States are waking up to the fact   
   that our federal health agencies, such as the FDA and CDC, are corrupt   
   and serve the interests of Wall Street Billionaires and not the public,   
   it is more important than ever to understand the corruption that also   
   exists within the USDA (U.S. Department of Agriculture) and their years   
   of bad nutritional advice that has demonized traditional, healthy fats   
   and oils that have nourished populations for thousands of years, in   
   favor of the newer “polyunsaturated” oils which are toxic, and dangerous   
   to your health.   
      
   These polyunsaturated “edible oils” have only been in the human food   
   chain since the “expeller-pressed” technology was developed during and   
   following World War II that allowed the U.S. to start producing highly   
   toxic and refined “edible” oils from corn and soybeans, two crops   
   heavily subsidized by taxpayers that allows the U.S. to dominate world   
   edible oil supplies."   
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   And the point I'm making with the excerpt from an article that I quoted   
   above, is that the seed oils that humans shouldn't eat, are actually   
   pretty good replacements for Diesel Fuel... They can run in some cases   
   a diesel engine without any special processing to make them BIO-DIESEL   
   so they can go straight from the oil press into the vehicle, things like   
   Corn oil, Canola, Sunflower and even Camelina sativa oil.   
      
   "Camelina has been developed as a crop due to its high oil content   
   (30-40%), its unique oil properties and its potential to increase the   
   cropping intensity in certain dryland cropping systems. The oil from   
   camelina is suitable for a variety of food uses and for biodiesel   
   production."   
      
   Rather than *SWALLOWING* the lies of the FDA/CDC and or *MINISTRY* of   
   *TRUTH* we can burn them in diesels and use the existing infrastructure   
   we already have. And these oils would make the cars and trucks *SOLAR*   
   and *WIND POWERED* because the crop is using sunlight and rain from the   
   winds... NO Fossil FUEL necessary.   
      
      
   /--> *ADDENDUM*   
      
   ["IT JUST KEEPS GETTING WORSE   
      
      
    An acquaintance farms over 10,000 acres of corn in the Midwest. The   
   property is spread out over 3 counties.   
      
   His operation is a "partnership farm" with John Deere. They use the   
   larger farm operations as demonstration projects for the promotion and   
   development of new equipment.   
      
      
      
   He recently received a phone call from his John Deere representative,   
   and they want the farm to go to electric tractors and combines in 2023.   
   He currently has 5 diesel combines that cost $900,000 each that are   
   traded in every 3 years. He also owns over 10 really BIG tractors. John   
   Deere wants him to go all-electric.   
      
   He said: "Ok, I have some questions. How do I charge these combines when   
   they are 3 counties away from the shop in the middle of a cornfield, in   
   the middle of nowhere?”   
      
      
   "How do I run them 24 hours a day for 10 or 12 days straight when the   
   harvest is ready, and the weather is coming in?" "How do I get a 50,000+   
   lb combine that takes up the width of an entire road back to the shop   
   20 miles away when the battery goes dead?"   
      
   When the corn is ready to harvest, it has to have the proper sugar and   
   moisture content. If it is too wet, it has to be put in giant dryers   
   that burn natural gas or propane gas, and lots of it. Harvest time is   
   critical because if it degrades in sugar content or quality, it can drop   
   the value of his crop by half a million dollars or more. It is analyzed   
   at time of sale.   
      
    It is standard procedure to run these machines 10 to 12 days straight,   
      
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   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   
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