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From: NOT-SURE@idiocracy.gov
On 5/10/22 11:22 AM, -hh wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 10:59:37 AM UTC-4, Scout wrote:
>> "Siri Cruise" wrote:
>>> "l.l" wrote:
>>>
>>>>> The free market was working, back then. Now, we have the government
>>>>> *forcing* the market away from gas cars and toward electric cars.
>>>>
>>>> You nailed it!
>>>> Well done.
>>>
>>> How about we charge gas cars the full price of the damage they do
>>> to people and private property.
>>
>> Sure... as long as we do the same for EVs and green energy
>
> Of course.
>
>>
>> So let's talk about how much you're going to owe for the air, water and soil
>> contamination for mining cobalt in Africa using underpaid child labor and
>> the long term multigenerational damaged being done to the people doing the
>> mining or being exposed to the contamination from that mining.....
>>
>> Then when we get done with that, we can discuss the bill necessary to cover
>> the pollution China is producing to produce those solar panels.
>
> So how do these concerns compare to the extraction costs for fossil fuels
> and the pollution thereof?
>
> Because while one has to mine X tons of ore to make an EV battery & solar
panel,
> that only needs to be done figuratively once for the life of the product,
whereas
> the extraction for fossil fuels is recurring over its useful life.
Life of the product? and the product was made using Fossil Fuel energy,
and installed with Fossil Fuel energy and maintained using fossil fuel
energy. Which means that it takes years of producing power from the SUN
or Wind to reach a ZERO CARBON FOOT PRINT considering all the CO2
released in the building and installing and the maintenance... which
means that it makes no difference to the environment whether you use the
fossil fuel directly or build Solar/Wind and they don't produce enough
energy to reduce the over all CO2 that was released into the
environment... The CO2 that you produce today to build the Solar/Wind
equipment and batteries and cars won't be *carbon neutral* for years and
years and maybe decades...
>
> Case in point, at just a 150K mile useful life for an ICE, at 25mpg it will
consume
> over 18 tons of fuel: what's the externality costs from the level of
extraction
> required to produce this much end product? Keep in mind that this is all
burned,
> so unlike rare earth metals, literally none of it is recyclable.
>
How long will it take a battery to and Solar/Wind system to reach ZERO
CARBON FOOT PRINT in the real world where the purchase price is
subsidized but all the repairs and parts are at full price with no
government subsidy, because a lot of those will just be abandoned...?
causing the ZERO CARBON FOOT PRINT of the total Solar/Wind to take even
longer to reach ZERO CARBON to just simply start producing energy that
isn't based on fossil fuel's CO2.
/--> *ADDENDUM*
["IT JUST KEEPS GETTING WORSE
An acquaintance farms over 10,000 acres of corn in the Midwest. The
property is spread out over 3 counties.
His operation is a "partnership farm" with John Deere. They use the
larger farm operations as demonstration projects for the promotion and
development of new equipment.
He recently received a phone call from his John Deere representative,
and they want the farm to go to electric tractors and combines in 2023.
He currently has 5 diesel combines that cost $900,000 each that are
traded in every 3 years. He also owns over 10 really BIG tractors. John
Deere wants him to go all-electric.
He said: "Ok, I have some questions. How do I charge these combines when
they are 3 counties away from the shop in the middle of a cornfield, in
the middle of nowhere?”
"How do I run them 24 hours a day for 10 or 12 days straight when the
harvest is ready, and the weather is coming in?" "How do I get a 50,000+
lb combine that takes up the width of an entire road back to the shop
20 miles away when the battery goes dead?"
When the corn is ready to harvest, it has to have the proper sugar and
moisture content. If it is too wet, it has to be put in giant dryers
that burn natural gas or propane gas, and lots of it. Harvest time is
critical because if it degrades in sugar content or quality, it can drop
the value of his crop by half a million dollars or more. It is analyzed
at time of sale.
It is standard procedure to run these machines 10 to 12 days straight,
24 hours a day at peak harvest time. When they need fuel, a tanker truck
delivers it, and the machines keep going.
John Deere's only answer is "we're working on it.""]
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"As more and more people in the United States are waking up to the fact
that our federal health agencies, such as the FDA and CDC, are corrupt
and serve the interests of Wall Street Billionaires and not the public,
it is more important than ever to understand the corruption that also
exists within the USDA (U.S. Department of Agriculture) and their years
of bad nutritional advice that has demonized traditional, healthy fats
and oils that have nourished populations for thousands of years, in
favor of the newer “polyunsaturated” oils which are toxic, and dangerous
to your health.
These polyunsaturated “edible oils” have only been in the human food
chain since the “expeller-pressed” technology was developed during and
following World War II that allowed the U.S. to start producing highly
toxic and refined “edible” oils from corn and soybeans, two crops
heavily subsidized by taxpayers that allows the U.S. to dominate world
edible oil supplies."
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And the point I'm making with the excerpt from an article that I quoted
above, is that the seed oils that humans shouldn't eat, are actually
pretty good replacements for Diesel Fuel... They can run in some cases
a diesel engine without any special processing to make them BIO-DIESEL
so they can go straight from the oil press into the vehicle, things like
Corn oil, Canola, Sunflower and even Camelina sativa oil.
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