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   From: NOT-SURE@idiocracy.gov   
      
   On 6/11/22 1:38 PM, -hh wrote:   
   > On Saturday, June 11, 2022 at 11:37:17 AM UTC-4, Klaus  Schadenfreude wrote:   
   >>> …   
   >>> "And it's always just stuck with me, this isn't right. This is the same   
   weapon   
   >>> I got issued in the Marines." he said.   
   >>>   
   >>> This is an outright lie. The Marines issue select fire M-16s. The civilian   
   >>> AR-15 only fires in semi-auto mode.   
   >   
   > Depends on the era.  IIRC, early versions of both were 100% parts   
   > interchangeable.  Only later was the AR modified to no be able to   
   > fit the M16 trigger group.   
   >   
      
      
   And what did the Marines do with their guns, they protected themselves   
   and the good guys.   
      
   Was it saving lives with an M-16 or were they baby killers with an M-16?   
      
   And if it's so bad to supply WEAPONS to others why does the DOD send   
   weapons to places like Libya or Iraq or Ukraine.   
      
   It seems that Marines and the DOD believe that sending Weapons to people   
   saves their lives and that handing out weapons that get to the BAD   
   people is OK as long as you're giving weapons to the GOOD people.   
      
      
   >>   
   >> "The way an AR-15 round enters the body … it's designed to tumble and   
   >> create a lot of tissue damage," said Paul Kemp is the co-founder and   
   >> president of Gun Owners for Responsible Ownership.   
   >>   
   >> [chuckle]   
   >>   
   >> This is one of the idiotic things leftists say.   
   >>   
   >> First of all, *NO* bullet is designed to "tumble."   
   >   
   > It’s  kind of hard to avoid tumbling in dense media with the classical   
   > high velocity rifle ogive profile.  To be stable in both air & dense regimes,   
   > you need a more parabolic ogive, which is high drag when supersonic..   
   >   
   >> It's certainly not  designed to tumble in flight, because it would   
   >> be so inaccurate you couldn't hit anything with it.   
   >   
   > IIRC, 7.62mm M793 and M794 SRTA were designed to tumble while in flight.   
   > Think the M858 and M860 did too, although it was wasn’t as deliberate of a   
   design factor.   
   >   
   >>   
   >> Second of all, bullets are designed to EXPAND, not tumble.   
   >   
   > M80 ball doesn’t deform, and Fackler’s gel block reports shows that it   
   tumbles,   
   > doing a 180 before stabilizing & traveling backwards before it comes to a   
   stop.   
   >   
   >   
   >> A 5.56 round doesn't enter the body any differently than a .243   
   >> round or a 7.62 round.   
   >   
   > << engagement range and precession have just entered the chat >>   
   >   
   >>   
   >> Anyone who says this can be IMMEDIATELY dismissed as a fucking idiot.   
   >>   
   >> But, there are idiots out there. So maybe one of them can tell us   
   >> exactly how this bullet is designed to make it "tumble" versus a   
   >> "non-tumbler."   
   >>   
   >> Right here ---->   
   >   
   > Gyroscopic stability includes the Reynold’s Number of the medium as in   
   input.   
   > As such, a design can be stable in STP air, but not in denser mediums.   
   > Plus an, over stabilized design can invoke tumbling too, such as shooting   
   > M855 out of a 1:7” to a range beyond roughly 1100m…it flies like a   
   frisbee.   
   >   
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   > -hh   
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   *GUN CONFISCATORS ONE AND ALL*   
      
   In the Senate, you can always count on Sens. Lisa Murkowski (R-AK),   
   Susan Collins (R-ME), and Mitt Romney (R-UT) to do the wrong thing. You   
   can always count on Reps. Liz Cheney (R-WY) and Adam Kinzinger (R-IL) to   
   do the wrong thing.   
      
   Every TRUE AMERICAN should give Reps. Brian Fitzpatrick (R-PA), Anthony   
   Gonzalez (R-OH), Chris Jacobs (R-NY), John Katko (R-NY), Adam Kinzinger   
   (R-IL), Nicole Malliotakis (R-NY), Maria Salazar (R-FL), Chris Smith   
   (R-NJ), Michael Turner (R-OH), and Fred Upton (R-MI) a call about this vote.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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