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   NO, I pointed out that "your position" is all or none... with that pearl   
   of wisdom.   
      
   The GLOBAL WARMING cult says we have to get rid of combustion engines...   
   which by the way 99.999% of EMERGENCY VEHICLES use for their horse power   
   to spin the wheels. Why didn't you convert them first to make sure they   
   can function as EV's efficiently and cost effective before you make   
   their fuel into the precious material we call unobtainable.   
      
      
   >> I figure if you get to 5%-10% EV cars and Solar houses outside "the   
   >> efficient grid use area" which means anyone living in a minimum   
   >> population density then I'm happy with that.   
   >   
   > EVs have already reached the tipping point, and the luddites are going   
   > to scream bloody murder about it until they die off.   
   >   
      
      
   NOTHING TO SCREAM ABOUT, if forced it will either work or it will   
   collapse killing Millions or Billions of people.   
      
   Farming, your food will be on the line, fail and you starve. You're   
   making that decision for Billions of people, if you're wrong hopefully   
   you'll take the longest to die.   
      
   >> I was pointing out that you have to have NUCLEAR or fossil as an anchor   
   >> that is a continuous output to keep the grid running at 60Hz sine wave   
   >> and producing enough energy to keep the relays from disconnecting in a   
   >> cascading brown out or black out.   
   >   
   > The ISS runs its local grid without Nuke or fossil.  Golly, how do they do   
   that?   
   >   
      
   Limited use... batteries and/or they position it to get sunlight with no   
   clouds or night time... black outs? You can't get all that out of a grid   
   here on the planet filled with humans.   
      
   I was wondering if they couldn't run a north to south orbit so that they   
   stay on the day night HORIZON 24/7 with their solar panels facing the   
   sun, 24/7 sunlight with no clouds or atmosphere or angle of the sun to   
   deflect the energy. NO BATTERIES REQUIRED and they have back-up APU's as   
   I recall in most older space flights so until the back up is exhausted   
   they can stay alive in an emergency. Air Conditioners work on the more   
   efficient Ammonia rather than Freon or the new refrigerant... NO EPA to   
   stifle productivity and efficiency in space.  Because space is all   
   deadly so releasing Ammonia or Freon into it, isn't an issue.   
      
   >> ...which is why they created the idea of   
   >> rolling blackouts. When the Solar/Wind power aren't producing you need   
   >> something else to kick-in and pick up the slack or the grid starts a   
   >> cascade shutdown that's designed to protect the power grids equipment if   
   >> you have studied Ohm's law you get the idea.   
   >   
   > I can remember multiple large (multi-state) blackouts which occurred   
   > before there were any solar/wind nodes on the grid.  As such, that tech   
   > is not to blame.   
   >   
      
   Yes, me too. Proving that the grid has a weak point.  Why build more   
   weakness into the grid permanently?   
      
      
   >> So no I didn't say EV's are useless,...   
   >   
   > "But the Ambulances!"  /s   
   >   
      
   Impractical, NOT impossible.  And the problem comes when all the   
   available batteries are needed for EMERGENCY and GOVERNMENT and charging   
   is a problem of time and cost, when it busts the budget people start to   
   die.  It means there will be a shortage of materials for your car   
   batteries. You are NOT an essential worker so you can't get a battery   
   for your car... but you can make the payments on your car. We learned   
   about this when the Democrats started the lock-downs and only essential   
   workers could travel and be out and about and show up for work...   
   Government and Democrats have already proven how this works, you become   
   a subject in an occupation under Democrat crisis and lock-downs.   
      
   Democrats will take your cars and guns and food and they will begin   
   their occupation as they control energy that allows them total control   
   of you under the guise of saving you form yourself.  That's the GLOBAL   
   WARMING CULT.   
      
      
   >> I think they're fine for things   
   >> like buzzing around a city but on a road trip or farm or low density   
   >> country living... NOT so much.   
   >   
   > Start keeping a record of your daily total mileage that you drive; post it   
   here   
   > weekly.   What you'll learn is that your datapoints will eventually plot out   
   > to be a Chi-square distribution curve.   
   >   
      
   I went for years without a car/truck just got another one a while back,   
   and I had motorcycles off and on since I was 15years old. Been looking   
   to get another one soon.   
      
   >   
   >> And there shouldn't be a war against Fossil Fuel or manufacturers to   
   >> force more people to switch to EV's or buy solar panels.   
   >   
   > What you're mistaking for a war is that after a century of fossil fuels   
   getting   
   > a free ride from not having to pay for their total costs that they incur onto   
   > society, the actual costs are being recognized and they don't like it that   
   > they're finally being asked to pay their own way.   
   >   
      
   How will you pay for NOT eating when all you can have is Solar/Wind?   
   What you're saying is that the collective cost for using the most   
   efficient energy for your needs, is now you will be starved to death by   
   the new ex-post-facto energy laws that will prevent you from accessing   
   the food supply.   
      
   Sounds unconstitutional to punish people with death for a crime that   
   wasn't a crime when they committed it. By banning their fuel use and   
   accessibility with REGULATIONS and laws and EXECUTIVE ORDERS and EPA   
   mandates, it will be a death sentence from the United States Government   
   so that the few elite's will be the only ones to survive, and their   
   essential employees that they declare as "essential".   
      
      
   >   
   >> Is a big problem... the attack on our energy is NOT just from outside as   
   >> an attack on the United States, but persons and GROUPS inside America   
   >> are also a problem. It's SABOTAGE and treason.   
   >   
   > Our failure to secure our country's energy independence as integral to our   
   > national defense was recognized 50 years ago and early efforts were shut   
   > down by Ronald Reagan in the 1980s.  Why?  Because next quarter's   
   > corporate profits are the only priority.   
   >   
      
   The long term goal is NOT where Democrats are looking, Democrats just   
   released a Million Gallons of OIL a day from the NATIONAL SECURITY   
   RESERVES to buy votes to get re-elected this NOVEMBER, because they're   
   looking at being pushed out by VOTERS. And it seems the voters and the   
   power is what counts NOT quarterly profits.  Selling our NATIONAL   
   SECURITY RESERVES doesn't help the quarterly profits.   
      
   >> At this point I wouldn't vote for... ANY DEMOCRAT!   
   >   
   > What you're saying is that you're proud to wallow in your own filth, if it   
   > means that you can save a buck...and you'll refuse to accept that the   
   > reason why you later got cholera is because of your choice to wallow.   
   >   
      
   I'm proud to make my own choices because I know what's best for me, more   
   than some BUREAUCRAT IN WASHINGTON D.C. knows what's best for me.   
      
      
   > And even though the cost of medical treatment is greater than the buck   
   > saved, you would do it again:  Insanity is doing the same thing over and   
   > over and expecting different results.   
      
   For some medical treatment I pay a few buck$ more some a few buck$ less,   
   but that's for me to decide isn't it? They are after all... my buck$.   
      
      
      
      
      
      
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   Democrats will take your cars and guns and food and they will begin   
   their occupation as they control energy that allows them total control   
   all of you under the guise of saving you from yourself.  That's the   
   GLOBAL WARMING CULT.   
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
   -That's karma-   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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