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   > The Canadian heat dome last summer resulted in crop failures of 50% and more.   
   > Subsequent analysis has found that that weather event was *impossible*   
   without   
   > there having been global warming.   
   >   
      
   The definition of the end of an ice age is... warming.  Remember the   
   1970s when these same people were predicting a new ice age and   
   starvation... it was a lie. It was a decade of cooler weather.  "People   
   were freezing up in Buffalo Stuck in their cars" if you listen to Jimmy   
   Buffet Songs you'll hear it...  he sang about it "While I'm sit'n   
   beneath the sun and the stars..."  he lived in the Florida keys back then.   
      
   I think that was "Changes in Latitudes Changes in Attitudes".   
      
      
      
   >> You're making that decision for Billions of people, if you're wrong   
   hopefully   
   >> you'll take the longest to die.   
   >   
   > Your "do nothing" is also a decision.   
      
   I do something every day... based on FACTS.  Global Warming is a cult myth.   
      
   >   
   >>>> I was pointing out that you have to have NUCLEAR or fossil as an anchor   
   >>>> that is a continuous output to keep the grid running at 60Hz sine wave   
   >>>> and producing enough energy to keep the relays from disconnecting in a   
   >>>> cascading brown out or black out.   
   >>>   
   >>> The ISS runs its local grid without Nuke or fossil. Golly, how do they do   
   that?   
   >>>   
   >> Limited use... batteries and/or they position it to get sunlight with no   
   >> clouds or night time... black outs?   
   >   
   > Oh, so you don't actually know the answer.  Check.   
   >   
   >> You can't get all that out of a grid here on the planet filled with humans.   
   >   
   > Incorrect, because the ISS is a concrete proof of principle.   
   >   
   >> I was wondering if they couldn't run a north to south orbit ...   
   >   
   > Another illustration that you don't know how they currently do the   
   "impossible".   
   >   
   >>>> ...which is why they created the idea of   
   >>>> rolling blackouts. When the Solar/Wind power aren't producing you need   
   >>>> something else to kick-in and pick up the slack or the grid starts a   
   >>>> cascade shutdown that's designed to protect the power grids equipment if   
   >>>> you have studied Ohm's law you get the idea.   
   >>>   
   >>> I can remember multiple large (multi-state) blackouts which occurred   
   >>> before there were any solar/wind nodes on the grid. As such, that tech   
   >>> is not to blame.   
   >>>   
   >> Yes, me too. Proving that the grid has a weak point. Why build more   
   >> weakness into the grid permanently?   
   >   
   > Because it isn't a "weakness" being built in, but merely a mismatch between   
   > infrastructure investment rates and demand change rates.   
   >   
   >>>> So no I didn't say EV's are useless,...   
   >>>   
   >>> "But the Ambulances!" /s   
   >>>   
   >> Impractical, NOT impossible.   
   >   
   > Still a niche case that you're trying to use as a drama queen.  How about   
   > focusing on how over 80% of current US private vehicular use cases can   
   > already be done at lower expenses with EV than ICE?   
      
   And yet they didn't buy those Emergency Vehicles prior to the   
   BidenRegime forced gas inflation.  Why is that?  They didn't want to be   
   efficient, or they didn't want to save lives? Really they hate Americans   
   and their own family so much that they'd use Ambulances and Rescue   
   Wagons that will be too expensive to run?   
      
      
   >>>> I think (Ev's) they're fine for things   
   >>>> like buzzing around a city but on a road trip or farm or low density   
   >>>> country living... NOT so much.   
   >>>   
   >>> Start keeping a record of your daily total mileage that you drive; post it   
   here   
   >>> weekly. What you'll learn is that your datapoints will eventually plot out   
   >>> to be a Chi-square distribution curve.   
   >>   
   >> I went for years without a car/truck just got another one a while back,   
   >> and I had motorcycles off and on since I was 15 years old. Been looking   
   >> to get another one soon.   
   >   
   > That's a reply which deliberately *avoids* addressing the conversation.   
   > So stop dodging:  how many miles per month do you currently drive?   
   As little as possible, it's a waste of time.   
      
   >>>> And there shouldn't be a war against Fossil Fuel or manufacturers to   
   >>>> force more people to switch to EV's or buy solar panels.   
   >>>   
   >>> What you're mistaking for a war is that after a century of fossil fuels   
   getting   
   >>> a free ride from not having to pay for their total costs that they incur   
   onto   
   >>> society, the actual costs are being recognized and they don't like it that   
   >>> they're finally being asked to pay their own way.   
   >>>   
   >> How will you pay for NOT eating when all you can have is Solar/Wind?   
   >   
   > The same way that its done when all you have is fossil fuels.  /s   
      
   When you have fossil fuel you have fertilizer and LP gas to cook and   
   electric on the grid... without it you eat bugs and raw vegetables and   
   salads.  WITHOUT FOSSIL FUELS 90% of humanity will be eating like a   
   rabbit rather than eating the rabbit or the beef... because there will   
   be no way to cook it other than cutting trees which I predict will be   
   rationed and become a crime.   
      
      
   >> What you're saying is that the collective cost for using the most   
   >> efficient energy for your needs, is now you will be starved to death by   
   >> the new ex-post-facto energy laws that will prevent you from accessing   
   >> the food supply.   
   >   
   > Nope.   
   >   
      
   I could have sworn that's what you said.  How can these ex-post-facto   
   tax and subsidy and other laws that stop the CO2 cycle, based on past   
   use by humans being , not cause people to starve...   
      
   Food production alone will be on problem caused by laws based on past   
   CO2 cycle, penalizing people for their past use of fossil fuels.  Going   
   forward we can't use ex-post-facto laws to undo what was done as the   
   penalty for having done it in the past.  That's like creating a new law   
   on theft and then holding people responsible for past thefts before   
   there was a law.  Any CO2 laws would have to be forward looking at what   
   is the nominal amount of CO2 and then stick to that so that there is no   
   "repairing of past supposed or conjured damages" imparted by the new law   
   since the new law can't propose ex-post-facto reparation by the new law   
   for old action that weren't a crime or regulation.   
      
     Because those ex-post-facto "reparations" will be a death sentence to   
   millions, which means that the Democrats and the Biden Regime can't pass   
   laws that raise prices and inflate prices and subsidize to fix what was   
   done prior to the new laws to fix it.  It has to all be to correct it   
   from this point forward... we can't go back in time and kill the people   
   that didn't break the CO2 laws, by passing laws today that will also   
   kill innocent people born since then plus those that actually burned the   
   fossil fuel.  It will have to be business as usual without retroactive   
   death sentences against the impoverished.   
      
      
   >   
   >> Sounds unconstitutional to punish people with death for a crime that   
   >> wasn't a crime when they committed it.   
   >   
   > That's why the fossil fuel industry isn't being punished for the past:  cap   
   & trade   
   > is only forward looking.   
   >   
   >   
      
   NO, it punishes people for the amount of CO2 present, not the amount   
   they produce, the nominal amount of CO2 from humans is not ZERO so a   
   target of ZERO carbon fuel is a false tax on past use to reverse the   
   past use which makes it ex-post-facto. And taking into consideration the   
   Volcanoes spewing CO2 as it belches out that fossil fuel being burned in   
   the tectonic plates gnashing together to produce that volcanic activity   
   and earth quakes and burning up all the fossil fuel in their path... it   
   could be that a great deal of the fossil fuel would be burned by   
      
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