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   > the TV from being a digital LCD flatscreen.   
      
   I fixed Cathode Ray Tube TV's got hit by the HIGH VOLTAGE section more   
   than once to prove it and make sure I remembered it this long. Even   
   Black and White TV's they were easier and I actually like Black and   
   white TV which is partly why I'm an old-movie buff that likes B/W   
   movies, just watched "RED RIVER" staring the Duke... and Montgomery   
   Cliff.... good show, *Classic* .   
      
   >>>> Even if you started a program to change the grid to 100% solar/wind in   
   >>>> the next 5 years it would take another 5 years for those completed systems   
   >>>> to reach CARBON NEUTRAL and begin to produce energy that's free from   
   >>>> CO2 that it took to manufacture and transport and erect and maintain.   
   >>>   
   >>> And if you never start, when does it become carbon neutral?   
   >>   
      
   Until they do reach that CARBON NEUTRAL point of time they, still cause   
   those EV's to use more FOSSIL and produce more CO2 than if they were   
   gasoline because the conversion of the fossil to all the different types   
   of energy of heat and mechanical and then electric and then to battery   
   and back to mechanical destroys efficiency, so by selling/coercing   
   people to drive electric EV's prematurely before the grid has a   
   sufficient supply of "sustainable energy" to run those EV's, you're   
   making more CO2 than just leaving those people driving their gasoline   
   and diesel cars that produce less CO2 than the NEW EV's running off the   
   Fossil powered GRID.   
      
      
   >> I'm all for starting just NOT trying to convert anyone until they are   
   >> ready and able to continue their life using the new technology... but   
   >> then again if the technology isn't ready for the system and people in   
   >> place... it's odds of failure go higher.   
   >   
   > For-profit corporations are spending their own money to adopt today.   
   > That should be all that you need to know about costs & risks vs benefits.   
   >   
   >   
      
   NO I don't jump into that pool at the bottom of the cliff before it's   
   full and hope it will be full by the time I fall 100 feet into that pool.   
      
      
   >>>> And by the time they are Carbon neutral they will be starting to become   
   less   
   >>>> efficient and have more failure from age so the first ones that started   
   producing   
   >>>> will start wearing out ...   
   >>>   
   >>> Oh, so are you claiming that today's ICE vehicles never wear out? /s   
   >>   
   >> NO I claim that the EV's aren't Carbon neutral the day you buy them   
   >> because they sequestered the carbon/CO2 used to build them. SO you have   
   >> to drive them for XXXXX number of miles using CO2 FREE energy before it   
   >> becomes CO2 neutral in that it has offset as much CO2 as was required to   
   >> build the EV. Then it becomes CO2 neutral and begins its non CO2   
   >> dependent use.   
   >   
   > But that doesn't make them unique:  a traditional ICE also consumes CO2 to   
   > be fabricated .. and then it consumes even more during its lifecycle such   
   > that it will *never* become CO2 neutral:  that's the baseline to improve on,   
   > so a 'break even' at any mileage is a major objective improvement.   
   >   
   >   
      
   If it's so much the same why are we changing to EV's?  And in fact as I   
   explained in the energy conversion text above... the EV's are less   
   efficient due to all the types of energy and the storage of charging   
   batteries that produces heat also another energy loss... and the drawing   
   it from the batter that also creates heat also known as energy loss.   
      
   >   
   >>>> I actually like the idea if it's in a place where the infrastructure of   
   >>>> the grid and the population density is high... in fact I think that the   
   >>>> EPA are idiots because they should be basing much more environment   
   >>>> protection based on population density rather than running around   
   >>>> managing mud puddles out in rural areas and deserted farm land. States   
   >>>> and cities have their own EPA and health departments and public safety   
   >>>> DEPARTMENTS because it's NOT a Federal Power and they should base their   
   >>>> local regulations on local population density at least at the State   
   >>>> levels of regulation.   
   >>>   
   >>> Okay, but in order to do that, this locally dense populated area will   
   impose a   
   >>> tax on the CO2 that blows in from your state ... can you afford $50,000   
   per ton?   
   >>   
   >> NOT a tax, taxes are for paying for government not metering out equality   
   >> or penalties or as coercion.   
   >   
   > This is equality.   
   >   
   >   
      
   Article I   
   Section 8. The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes,   
   Duties, Imposts and Excises, *to pay the Debts* and *provide for the*   
   *common Defence* and *general Welfare of the United States* ;   
      
   Amendment X   
   *The powers not delegated to the United States* by the Constitution, nor   
   prohibited by it to the States, *are reserved to the States*   
   respectively, *or to the people* .   
      
   Notice that the States and the people do not get the same delegated   
   powers as the United States.  The reason is they are separate entities.   
      
   The point made here is that the general welfare of the United States is   
   different to the general welfare of the people or the general welfare of   
   your State, because they are not one entity so the United States is NOT   
   the jurisdiction of the States or the people but the jurisdiction that   
   is the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT meaning that they can "PROVIDE FOR" the United   
   States (FEDERAL GOVERNMENT) not the States or the people with the   
   Federal taxes.   
      
   They can't simply tax as what ever decide for what ever reason...   
   because after Article I Section 8. you see where the list of items they   
   can spend FEDERAL TAX DOLLARS ON... and to use them elsewhere as a form   
   of criminals punishment or as a subsidy, is NOT in the LIST of proper   
   spending which means they are FRAUD when they spend that money to   
   subsidize and to use as a penalty not doing what the TAX LORDS demand of   
   us.   
      
   To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;   
      
   To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States,   
   and with the Indian Tribes;   
      
   To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the   
   subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;   
      
   To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix   
   the Standard of Weights and Measures;   
      
   *To provide for* the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and   
   current Coin of the United States;   
      
   To establish Post Offices and post Roads;   
      
   *To promote* the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for   
   limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their   
   respective Writings and Discoveries;   
      
   To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;   
      
   To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas,   
   and Offences against the Law of Nations;   
      
   To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules   
   concerning Captures on Land and Water;   
      
   To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use   
   shall be for a longer Term than two Years;   
      
   *To provide* and maintain a Navy;   
      
   To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval   
   Forces;   
      
   *To provide for* calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the   
   Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;   
      
   *To provide for* organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and   
   for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the   
   United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of   
   the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the   
   discipline prescribed by Congress;   
      
   To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such   
      
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