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From: NOT-SURE@idiocracy.gov
On 8/14/22 10:42 AM, B Hasselback wrote:
> On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 12:19:36 PM UTC-5, David Hartung wrote:
>> On 8/13/22 09:51, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> David Hartung wrote in
>>> news:k3ednfTfLvB_JWr_...@giganews.com:
>>>
>>>> https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/all-things-trump/breaking-trump
>>>> -describes-process-how-he-declassified-documents
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>> Donald Trump's office told Just the News on Friday that the classified
>>>> materials the FBI seized from his Mar-a-Lago estate were declassified
>>>> under a "standing order" while he was president that allowed him to
>>>> take sensitive materials to the White House residence at night to keep
>>>> working.
>>>>
>>>> The official statement is likely to become the focus of the
>>>> president's legal defense as the FBI and Biden Justice Department
>>>> investigate whether he stole records covered under the Presidential
>>>> Records Act or mishandled classified materials under the Espionage
>>>> Act, allegations included in a search warrant released by a federal
>>>> court in Florida on Friday.
>>>>
>>>> The president's defense is rooted in the legal principal that the
>>>> president and vice president are the ultimate declassifying authority
>>>> of the U.S. government and through executive orders most recently
>>>> issued in 2003 by George W. Bush and Barack Obama in 2009 that
>>>> specifically exempt the president and vice president from having to
>>>> follow the stringent declassification procedures every other federal
>>>> agency and official must follow.
>>>>
>>>> Trump has maintained for weeks that any documents still containing
>>>> classified markings in his possession after he left office were
>>>> previously declassified. On Friday night, the statement issued to Just
>>>> the News explained exactly how that declassification occurred in his
>>>> mind.
>>>>
>>>> The very fact that these documents were present at Mar-a-Lago means
>>>> they couldn’t have been classified," the former president's office
>>>> stated. "As we can all relate to, everyone ends up having to bring
>>>> home their work from time to time. American presidents are no
>>>> different. President Trump, in order to prepare for work the next day,
>>>> often took documents including classified documents from the Oval
>>>> Office to the residence.
>>>>
>>>> "He had a standing order that documents removed from the Oval Office
>>>> and taken into the residence were deemed to be declassified," the
>>>> statement added. "The power to classify and declassify documents rests
>>>> solely with the President of the United States. The idea that some
>>>> paper-pushing bureaucrat, with classification authority delegated BY
>>>> THE PRESIDENT, needs to approve of declassification is absurd."
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> So if the President is the ultimate authority to declassify documents,
>>>> materials and events, how could he be guilty of improperly possessing
>>>> classified documents?
>>>
>>>
>>> You are missing the point. Trump STOLE
>>> the documents. It doesn't matter if they
>>> were top secret military plans or menus from
>>> the White House cafeteria, he took them in
>>> violation of the law.
>>>
>>> Why are you defending theft?
>> Why are you refusing to think?
>>
>> Yes it does appear undeniable that Trump when Trump moved out of the
>> White House, he took things he shouldn't have.
>
> Ah...we've predictably reached the point of "so what he committed a crime?
It's no big deal!"
>
NO, there was no crime, the President by his own hand and use of
classified material reclassifies it without signing an order, simply by
his actions, in short the President can classify or declassify with a
word or an action... he can't violate a law that isn't constitutional
and because the Constitution delegated that power to the President, the
President can't violate the Constitution no matter what he does even if
the executive order/law says it's a crime because the Constitution tells
him the crime would be when he places a law above the jurisdiction of
the Constitution. Given any conflict of "law" with the "Constitution"
the Constitution always wins.
> Typical modern conservative argument:
>
> 1. Never happened...fake news!
Can't happen because the FAKE NEWS is that a law was violated by the
President.
> 2. It happened, but not like the fake news said!
I don't doubt that TRUMP has documents from when he packed and moved
from the White House. But it doesn't make any of it a crime.
> 3. Ok, it happened like they said, but there's no crime committed!
Now you're on the right track, but "it happened" is vague... NOTHING
illegal happened so there's no news there. It's an attempted political
Coup D`etat by Democrats to keep TRUMP from running for office because
Democrats know they can't win without stealing the election from trump
so they need to stop him from running.
The next thing if they can't Cheat and steal the election and can't stop
TRUMP from running will be the last desperate gasp of the Politically
corrupt Democrats and Shadow Government and will be to attempt an
accident or an assassination attempt either of people close to TRUMP or
TRUMP himself...
*Because that's who the Democrats really are*
> 4. Ok, it happened, and it was a crime, but not a big one!
NOPE
> 5. Hillary!!!!!!!
Hillary wasn't the President so she had/has no way to claim she can take
classified documents and do what she wants with them. The President can
but that's the only person with that power. Hillary was acting like she
was President but she really wasn't.
The Democrats will have to prove TREASON to make their charges stick
because TREASON is the only thing in the Constituion that the president
can be guilty of when it come to Classified Documents. Because it's the
only Constitution limitation on the presidency that would limit his use
of Executive Branch Documents.
Good luck with linking those "TRUMP DECLASSIFIED" documents to TREASON.
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The result is DEMOCRATS lies about history and reality to themselves and
others means their attempts to figure-out what's wrong is an exercise in
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