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From: NOT-SURE@idiocracy.gov
On 8/14/22 12:39 PM, -hh wrote:
> On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 11:43:41 AM UTC-4, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>> On 8/14/22 10:42 AM, B Hasselback wrote:
>>> On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 12:19:36 PM UTC-5, David Hartung wrote:
>>>> On 8/13/22 09:51, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>> David Hartung wrote in
>>>>> news:k3ednfTfLvB_JWr_...@giganews.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/all-things-trump/breaking-trump
>>>>>> -describes-process-how-he-declassified-documents
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>> Donald Trump's office told Just the News on Friday that the classified
>>>>>> materials the FBI seized from his Mar-a-Lago estate were declassified
>>>>>> under a "standing order" while he was president that allowed him to
>>>>>> take sensitive materials to the White House residence at night to keep
>>>>>> working.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The official statement is likely to become the focus of the
>>>>>> president's legal defense as the FBI and Biden Justice Department
>>>>>> investigate whether he stole records covered under the Presidential
>>>>>> Records Act or mishandled classified materials under the Espionage
>>>>>> Act, allegations included in a search warrant released by a federal
>>>>>> court in Florida on Friday.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The president's defense is rooted in the legal principal that the
>>>>>> president and vice president are the ultimate declassifying authority
>>>>>> of the U.S. government and through executive orders most recently
>>>>>> issued in 2003 by George W. Bush and Barack Obama in 2009 that
>>>>>> specifically exempt the president and vice president from having to
>>>>>> follow the stringent declassification procedures every other federal
>>>>>> agency and official must follow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trump has maintained for weeks that any documents still containing
>>>>>> classified markings in his possession after he left office were
>>>>>> previously declassified. On Friday night, the statement issued to Just
>>>>>> the News explained exactly how that declassification occurred in his
>>>>>> mind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The very fact that these documents were present at Mar-a-Lago means
>>>>>> they couldn’t have been classified," the former president's office
>>>>>> stated. "As we can all relate to, everyone ends up having to bring
>>>>>> home their work from time to time. American presidents are no
>>>>>> different. President Trump, in order to prepare for work the next day,
>>>>>> often took documents including classified documents from the Oval
>>>>>> Office to the residence.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "He had a standing order that documents removed from the Oval Office
>>>>>> and taken into the residence were deemed to be declassified," the
>>>>>> statement added. "The power to classify and declassify documents rests
>>>>>> solely with the President of the United States. The idea that some
>>>>>> paper-pushing bureaucrat, with classification authority delegated BY
>>>>>> THE PRESIDENT, needs to approve of declassification is absurd."
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So if the President is the ultimate authority to declassify documents,
>>>>>> materials and events, how could he be guilty of improperly possessing
>>>>>> classified documents?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You are missing the point. Trump STOLE
>>>>> the documents. It doesn't matter if they
>>>>> were top secret military plans or menus from
>>>>> the White House cafeteria, he took them in
>>>>> violation of the law.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why are you defending theft?
>>>> Why are you refusing to think?
>>>>
>>>> Yes it does appear undeniable that Trump when Trump moved out of the
>>>> White House, he took things he shouldn't have.
>>>
>>> Ah...we've predictably reached the point of "so what he committed a crime?
It's no big deal!"
>>>
>> NO, there was no crime, the President by his own hand and use of
>> classified material reclassifies it without signing an order, simply by
>> his actions, in short the President can classify or declassify with a
>> word or an action...
>
> Even if that claim was true, there still must be a documentation trail,
because
> there’s never just one copy. So where is it? Note it must date prior to 20
Jan 2021.
>
Obviously they know they exist... someone must have made copies when
they designated it as classified. There is a process.
>> … he can't violate a law that isn't constitutional
>> and because the Constitution delegated that power to the President, the
>> President can't violate the Constitution no matter what he does even if
>> the executive order/law says it's a crime because the Constitution tells
>> him the crime would be when he places a law above the jurisdiction of
>> the Constitution. Given any conflict of "law" with the "Constitution"
>> the Constitution always wins.
>
> Which means that the EO’s that detail the specific processes for the
handling
> of classified and CUI documents must have also been specifically rescinded
> for your claim of a “hand waive” to have been legal. Where are these?
>
EO's are not for the President, he signs them for the people who work
for him to follow. they need to be directed, the President has the
power so he directs them with the EO's.
NO need for any EO... it's already done by actions or verbal ques so
all there is to do is for the people doing the classification process to
do their job and de-classify/re-classify any document or other
information that contains that information, update the redaction
software with those items that are no longer classified at that level...
it may be they moved down from TOP SECRET to some lower level, but NOT
likely it would move very many levels depending on who the President and
the people discussing that information or where copies are held,
anything held in a NON secured site would become classified for that
level of access or security risk. It's all at the Presidents
discretion, and again that's why having a BRAIN DEAD DEMOCRAT like Joe
Biden in there is very risky for America. TRUMP was aware of corporate
security but probably had to adjust to the government version of
paranoia connected with NATIONAL SECURITY.
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