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   You missed the point, the president is AUTHORIZED by the Constitution   
   which DELEGATES THE POWERS while people working under the PRESIDENT   
   (which is everyone in the Executive Branch) are NOT DELEGATED the same   
   POWERS if any...   
      
      
   You see where Congress is denied power in Amendment 1. "CONGRESS SHALL   
   MAKE NO LAW" but then in Article I Section 8. the Constitution says "The   
   Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes"   
      
   Those can't be re-delegated and no laws made can over ride that power.   
   The only way to change those powers is with an ARTICLE 5. Amendment to   
   the Constitution.  As is the same process for the President and the   
   Presidential powers of the Executive Branch.   
      
   ALL THIS MAKES your response of   
      
   "documents must have also been specifically rescinded   
   for your claim of a “hand waive” to have been legal."   
      
   *What "law" can re-delegate* the Presidents powers that are delegated in   
   the Constitution?   
      
   HINT:  there are none, laws can NOT change the Constitution, so that law   
   applies to all the people working for the EXECUTIVE BRANCH but NOT the   
   President who is literally the executive branch as much as the   
   Congressmen and Senators are the Legislative branch. ONLY the elected   
   Representatives and Senators can vote to pass bills to be turned into   
   law, NONE of the staff are congressmen or Senators and the staff are NOT   
   the LEGISLATIVE BRANCH, the elected officials are.   
      
   Simply put the IRS can collect taxes NOT make tax laws.   
      
   The DOJ is enforcement of laws NOT making laws.   
      
   The DOD is about fighting wars NOT declaring them   
      
   And the many departments of the Executive Branch are about law   
   enforcement NOT making laws.  So the Constitution delegated the   
   executive power to the President NOT Congress or those departments and   
   the NSA and DOD are NOT telling the President what can and can't be   
   classified, only what they can do under the executive orders and any   
   laws passed through congress and signed into law by the President.   
      
   Which means that the agencies that work for congress or the President,   
   can't allow or deny the Congressmen or Senators or the Executive the   
   powers which were delegated by the Constitution. Only the Constitution   
   can do that. And I see no Constitutional amendment or clause that limits   
   the Presidents access or ability to classify and declassify information   
   in his possession.   
      
   Unless you look at the Constitutional description of TREASON... that is   
   a law that can only be changed with an Amendment to the Constitution and   
   as part of the Constitution the President would have to live by it   
   unless his delegated powers specifically say that TREASON does NOT apply   
   to the President.   
      
   Looks like those charges of documents being removed will have to be for   
   treason since there is no law that congress can pass that over-rides the   
   Constitution.   
      
      
   >>> Typical modern conservative argument:   
   >>>   
   >>> 1. Never happened...fake news!   
   >>   
   >> Can't happen because the FAKE NEWS is that a law was violated by the   
   >> President.   
   >   
   > The perjury case is a slam-dunk and will be interesting.   
   >   
   >>> 2. It happened, but not like the fake news said!   
   >>   
   >> I don't doubt that TRUMP has documents from when he packed and   
   >> moved from the White House. But it doesn't make any of it a crime.   
   >   
   > Nope.  He’s now a private citizen, so he has no legal right to possess   
   classified   
   > documents, or even FOUO/CUI documents either.   
      
   Waving his hand from one box to another made them declassified. When he   
   moved them out of the WH it changed their classified status.  The status   
   should be updated by the people charged with their classified status   
      
   To start with when anyone pulls a classified document up on a computer   
   or out of a file, it's tracked... they know who has it and what day and   
   time it was signed out.  And that person is then responsible for it.   
   If the President has it, then they have to verify it's status when they   
   get it back.   
      
   One question is who signed for it and if they handed the document to the   
   President why was it never checked to see where it was? Sounds like   
   another FAKE crime from Democrat "Whistle-Blowers" who wanted to create   
   an issue so they could then exploit it for propaganda purposes.   
      
      
      
      
   > Anything unclassified that he   
   > wanted to personally keep a copy of would had to have gone through the FOIA   
   > review process … and again, a documentation trail must exist, so where is   
   it?   
   >   
   >>   
   >>> 5. Hillary!!!!!!!   
   >>   
   >> Hillary wasn't the President so she had/has no way to claim she can take   
   >> classified documents and do what she wants with them.   
   >   
   > Incorrect, because whatever arguement you want to use for Trump applies   
   > to Hillary too, because she had OCA.  And that’s even before noting that   
   she   
   > didn’t walk away with any such docs: it was just an email spillage.   
   >   
   >> The President can but that's the only person with that power.   
   >   
   > Nope.  POTUS is not the sole OCA.   
   >   
   >   
   >> The Democrats will have to prove TREASON to make their charges stick   
   >> because TREASON is the only thing in the Constituion that the president   
   >> can be guilty of when it come to Classified Documents.   
   >   
   > LOL! Better go read those EO’s again.   
   >   
   > Meantime, thanks for showing everyone that you’ve never had a Security   
   Clearance   
   > to have a clue just what the regulations, practices and procedures are like.   
   >   
   > -hh   
   >   
      
      
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   -That's karma-   
      
   The result is DEMOCRATS lies about history and reality to themselves and   
   others means their attempts to figure-out what's wrong is an exercise in   
   futility, because what they think they know they really don't know, and   
   fixing problems without the truth... becomes a fools errand.   
      
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