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From: NOT-SURE@idiocracy.gov
On 8/20/22 2:03 PM, -hh wrote:
> On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 10:03:56 AM UTC-4, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>> On 8/20/22 5:12 AM, -hh wrote:
>>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 5:23:07 PM UTC-4, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>>> On 8/19/22 2:36 PM, -hh wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 1:18:59 PM UTC-4, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/19/22 10:47 AM, KWillis wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/19/2022 4:04 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 16:37:15 +0000, "Lee" wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Florida calls teen ‘too immature’
>>>>>>>>> for an abortion. But forced
>>>>>>>>> motherhood is fine?
>>>>>>>>> Aug 18
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nope. That's why there's adoption
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> She *still* is forced to give birth. A woman who gives birth is a
>>>>>>> biological mother, you stupid cocksucker. She should not be forced to
>>>>>>> give birth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If she falls and breaks her arm is she forced to heal by laws that say
>>>>>> we have to treat her in the Emergency room, or does it just happen by
>>>>>> nature with a little help like a cast on her arm?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Same girl different medical issue, same outcome.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Broken arm or pregnancy, everyone makes mistakes and gets hurt, the
>>>>>> question is how they choose to recover from that injury, should we just
>>>>>> cut off the broken arm or try to save it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Depends on the specific situation: the arm could have been so mangled and
>>>>> with higher health side effects risks (gangrene, etc) such that an
amputation
>>>>> may arguably very well be less traumatic than to live with a mutilation.
>>>>
>>>> So you're saying it's a case of logic and if you can't save the arm then
>>>> the last resort would be to amputate it...
>>>
>>> No, I'm saying that situations can quickly get complicated with multiple
shades
>>> of grey, so do you really want such decisions to be dictated by the State?
>>>
>> And I'm saying that the best possible government is the least government
>> necessary to protect human life. And if you notice it's NOT NATION WIDE
>> it's 50 shades of gray because there are 50 State Constitutions that can
>> solve the problem of a human life being snuffed-out, in 50 different
>> ways... and the one option of allowing unlimited killing of human life
>> inside the uterus is NO longer the only option.
>
> Except that (a) the last statement was never true, and (b) it is trying to
deny
> or ignore the very real costs incurred from regulatory fragmentation.
>
>> Why do you support a ban on clubbing baby seals and then support
>> allowing human abortions...?
>
> Duplicitous Strawman attempt = I'm done with your post. Rescind your lies
before trying again.
>
> [snip]
>
Done because you can't prove me wrong?
Democrats do try to ban clubbing of baby seals but want to kill human
life inside the uterus that can be outside the uterus and looking as
cute as a baby seal the next day, and some Democrats even want to kill
them after they have already been born.
Birth isn't the beginning of human life... it's the beginning of civil
liberties and citizenship or non citizenship. Birth is becoming part of
society but becoming part of the HUMAN RACE and becoming a human life
happens at conception.
Citizenship and Driving/marriage licenses and voting civil liberties
(civil rights) being exercised don't begin until you are born... because
they are created by the GOVERNMENT that decided you have to be born or
older to have them and they created those or claim to have created them
for government purposes using their Constitutionally delegated powers,
but the unalienable RIGHT to life and liberty begins at conception when
you become a human life And GOVERNMENT can't claim to have created your
life or your unalienable RIGHT to life. Which means your life is NOT
subject to civil rights, only subject to violating others unalienable
RIGHTS such as killing another human life.... your life is an
unalienable right. No one can violate that, and only you can forfeit
your life/liberty by violating others unalienable rights.
Executing someone for crimes against the Government or any civil liberty
or CIVIL RIGHT that won't result in death is NOT constitutional. Even
the old adage "an eye for an eye" suggests that Unalienable rights are
not able to be violated by government to satisfy the civil justice system.
Which means jail time for violating any civil liberty is an injustice
and a crime against your unalienable right to liberty and a crime
against the civil liberties that is punished with death is also a crime
against your unalienable rights. Which also means that the United States
allowing your unalienable RIGHTS "to be violated" is wrong so allowing
the killing of any human life without due process is wrong and mandating
that killing "be allowed as the Supreme Court did" is a crime against
our unalienable rights and incidentally a crime against the 5th
Amendment and due process.
Which means the courts sending the option to the States was correct
except that by allowing the States to mandate that our unalienable
RIGHTS be violated is also unconstitutional according to the 14th
amendment requirement (nor shall any State deprive any person of life,
liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person
within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.) since it
allows States to violate our unalienable right to life, liberty and
property when they send that power to the States.
The only laws or mandates that can be passed into law are ones that do
NOT violate our unalienable RIGHTS (which like the Supremacy Clause and
FEDERAL JURISDICTION might suggest) are the SUPREME RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE
and exist from conception since the creator (who or whatever that might
be in your mind, be it evolution or a God or Space Aliens) created your
human life. And that happened at conception.
--
-That's karma-
The result is DEMOCRATS lies about history and reality to themselves and
others means their attempts to figure-out what's wrong is an exercise in
futility, because what they think they know they really don't know, and
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--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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