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   From: NOT-SURE@idiocracy.gov   
      
   On 8/22/22 10:32 AM, -hh wrote:   
   > On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 10:18:31 AM UTC-4, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:   
   >> ...   
   >> Which anyone who has ever lived north of I-40 gets the idea that when   
   >> you go out in ZERO degree weather to start the car so it will warm up   
   >> and melt some of the ice and allow the engine to warm up without a full   
   >> load then you've had that vehicle "NOT start" because the battery was   
   >> dead from the cold that makes it weaker and that much more difficult for   
   >> the battery in cold weather to start the car....   
   >   
   > I've lived north of I-**70** for decades and the number of days/year where it   
   > actually gets down as low as 0F can usually be counted on one hand.  The last   
   > time that I had a battery that wouldn't start was circa 1993; a VW with a   
   ten year   
   > old battery that I thought I could get one more winter out of; pushed it too   
   far.   
   >   
      
      
   I lived south of I-70 by a 3 or 4 hours driving time and I saw ZERO F   
   and had batteries quit when it -2 at night and +5 in the day... I worked   
   a service job and drove a van so it was something that I'm familiar   
   with.  And I needed the heater to work to defrost the windshield so I   
   could see while driving I remember days when the heater quit like that   
   and I had icicles dripping from my mustache when I got to where I needed   
   to be.   
      
      
   >> But imagine getting caught in a bad storm... zero degrees in an EV?   
   >   
   > As opposed to dying of CO poisoning from not clearing your tailpipe?   
   >   
      
   NOT sure where your tailpipe was inside your car or why you had holes in   
   the floor boards for the CO to enter the cab of the vehicle...  but when   
   you stuff a potato in the cars muffler I hear they don't start or don't   
   run well... I'm NOT sure where you're going with this... but filling you   
   cab with CO and/or CO2 or for that matter bringing your Bar-B-Q grill   
   into the car or house is also NOT a good idea... simple natural laws of   
   combustion tell us that you need an open flue on fireplace or on that   
   combustion engine unless it's an attempt at suicide.   
      
   >> I still believe the ultimate vehicle will (be more like a TRAIN) and   
   >> have an electric motor for power but also have a choice of running that   
   >> motor on generator power or on Battery power and be able to select   
   >> either/or or both.   
   >>   
   >> Then when you have battery power you can use it and when you don't you   
   >> can use the Internal Combustion unit to generate the electric power to   
   >> run and charge the vehicle ...   
   >   
   > Those are called hybrids and they've been sold for the past 20 years.   
      
   Seems like I never had much bad to say about owning one if that's what   
   you wanted, been that way for 20 years... did you buy one?  You could   
   save on road taxes when running on GRID charged batteries that are still   
   charged using electric made from burning fossil fuels.  Seems to make   
   them cheaper but you never participated... why?   
      
      
   >> More weight yes but more functional.   
   >   
   > And more expensive to manufacture, which makes them less profitable   
   > for automakers ... and why they've not been expanding their product lines   
   > with them, but have been looking to quietly discontinue them.  Its also why   
   > the automakers have been leaning forward on EVs...even during the most   
   > recent Republican administration.   
   >   
      
   If they can't sell what they make.... I guess they will lose money.   
      
      
      
   >   
   >> ... Democrats ...   
   >   
   > Automakers have been investing in EV adoption during Republican   
   administration too.   
      
   And Democrats pass subsidies and the GREEN NEW DEAL.... to fund the   
   economic loss suffered b the AUTO MAKERS bad ideas just as Obama did   
   with GM....  Obama stole the company assets and gave them to the   
   Marxist-DEMOCRAT Union. NOT even to the workers for a worker owned buy   
   out, but to the Democrat party supporting UNION that didn't have the   
   money so Obama loaned them the money and then gave GM/The-Union the tax   
   credits and subsidies to help pay off the loans.   
      
   Obama/Democrats stole an AUTO company and used tax dollars to do it.   
   What a scam that was.   
      
   Democrats propose almost all of those investing in GREEN ENERGY deals,   
   they turn out to be scams and lose money for the tax payers like   
   "Solyndra" did.  In the GM case the investors lost money, and they were   
   specific taxpayers NOT the general pool of taxpayers... so this smaller   
   pool of tax payers were forced to give up assets that they earned for   
   the Democrats to transfer those assets to the Union that didn't earn   
   those assets... That sounds suspiciously like SLAVERY where someone get   
   what they didn't work to earn from someone who worked to earn it but   
   didn't get the fruits of their labor... That's SLAVERY   
      
   Amendment XIII   
   Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a   
   punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted,   
   shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their   
   jurisdiction.   
      
   And when it's the government doing it by dividing people into groups and   
   it's the government taking away from those who labored and worked to   
   earn it and giving to those who didn't do the labor or work, those   
   groups created FRACTIONAL OWNER-SHIPS and those were transferring the   
   labor the same way PLANTATION SLAVERY is transferred to the PLANTATION   
   OWNER.... ONLY this type of SLAVERY slices all the owners shares in the   
   slaves into fractions, so that you can't point to one owner receiving   
   all the income form one person who labored for the money, making the   
   idea more abstract and difficult for the slaves to point to it and   
   explain the slavery being inflicted on them.   
      
   ObamaCare was a prime example and the GM theft and redistribution of   
   assets was also FRAUD and slavery in both cases, one was tax fraud and   
   the other just theft of assets that were redistributed without just   
   compensation as require in the Constitution when Government claims   
   eminent domain to use that private property for PUBLIC USE.   
      
   Amendment V   
   No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous   
   crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in   
   cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in   
   actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be   
      
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