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From: NOT-SURE@idiocracy.gov
On 8/30/22 2:23 PM, Matt Singer wrote:
> On 8/30/2022 11:14 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> Ubiquitous wrote in
>> news:20220827-132456.311.0@news.giganews.com:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Experts agreed that the president, as commander in chief, is
>>> ultimately responsible for classification and declassification. When
>>> people lower in the chain of command handle classification and
>>> declassification duties — which is usually how it’s done — it’s
>>> because they have been delegated to do so by the president directly,
>>> or by an appointee chosen by the president.
>>>
>>> The majority ruling in the 1988 Supreme Court case Department of Navy
>>> vs. Egan — which addressed the legal recourse of a Navy employee who
>>> had been denied a security clearance — addresses this line of
>>> authority.
>>>
>>> "The President, after all, is the ‘Commander in Chief of the Army and
>>> Navy of the United States’" according to Article II of the
>>> Constitution, the court’s majority wrote. "His authority to classify
>>> and control access to information bearing on national security ...
>>> flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the
>>> President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional
>>> grant."
>>
>>
>> You are missing the point.
>>
>> The documents are government property.
>>
>> Trump stole them.
>
> Correct.
>
All he has is information and it belongs to WE the PEOPLE not to
"government" and it isn't stolen it's acquired and open to the public by
filing a FOIA request because they aren't the President who needed no
FOIA to get that information. Again it can't be stolen, it's not the
PROPERTY OF THE DOD or DOJ or FBI, it's the property of WE THE PEOPLE
and TRUMP declassified it and and already had a copy so he didn't need a
FOIA REQUEST TO take it with him. Remember it was declassified and those
are usually granted by FOIA with minimal redactions if any so they tell
us when they send them to us (all redactions are the things needed to
protect NATIONAL SECURITY) that they consider still classified. But
TRUMP had the Constitutionally Delegated power to classify and
declassify which means that they are legal and there was no THEFT..
The President doesn't sign a Non Disclosure Agreement.... to become
President... it's NOT part of the requirements in the Constitution.
Which means that it's NOT binding on the President who's duty it is
handle read and evaluate documents and what's in them and to classify or
declassify as the President sees fit to do.
All the information that the Presidents leave with in their heads or on
paper or their awards and personal information while in office is
actually things they might want to use but usually they'll send it
through the lawyers to make sure that nothing is classified or could
cause the President to be charged with a Constitutional crime of
Treason. y releasing it.
I knew someone who was DOD intelligence... They couldn't access any
document they wanted, but TRUMP can. They couldn't take them home but
TRUMP can...
Democrats as usual are Partisan, and lying and just wrong.
Must be the seething deep hate embedded in those Democrats that has them
seeing RED when they look at TRUMP.
>>
>> It doesn't matter if they are top
>> secret lists of US undercover spies or
>> just menus from White House cafeteria,
>> they are government documents and Trump
>> STOLE THEM.
>
> The fact that many of the documents *are* classified makes it worse.
Can't the Constitution says the President can de-classify them or
classify them or READ them or ignore them...
And he can remember them when he leaves or keep the copy he was given
when he leaves.
> If
> it were just theft of government property, there probably would have
> been no criminal investigation.
Democrats need to stop TRUMP or they lose more than just one election,
they lose 509 years of lies and duplicitous planning.
>
> None of the documents with classification markings were ever
> declassified. This nonsense about a "standing order" is bullshit cooked
> up by two of Trump's charlatan advisors. There was no such order,
> either written or oral. It's patently absurd.
>
Copies re NOT changed automatically when they are declassified someone
has to do that manually...
>>
>> How can you defend theft?
There was no theft... I really don't like theft but in this case it
doesn't apply in any way shape or form... And if Democrats were
concerned about theft they sure let Joe Biden and Pelosi get away with a
lot of theft, not to mention ANTIFA and #BLM with all the looting and
burning, so you seem a bit late to the party to be pulling the *MORAL*
*OUTRAGE* membership card out of your wallet... Kind of like Paul Pelosi
who tried pulling his membership card for the Police Benevolent Fund out
of his wallet for ID when being arrested for DRUNK DRIVING, huh?
I wonder if Paul Pelosi was a Million dollar member... and thought that
would be his "get out of jail FREE card" in this monopoly game of life.
--
-That's karma-
The result is DEMOCRATS lies about history and reality to themselves and
others means their attempts to figure-out what's wrong is an exercise in
futility, because what they think they know they really don't know, and
fixing problems without the truth... becomes a fools errand.
--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)
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