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   From: NOT-SURE@idiocracy.gov   
      
   > On 10/31/22 05:14, Siri Cruise wrote:   
   >> In article <1KGcnfZ7j5AkAcL-nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@giganews.com>,   
   >>   David Hartung  wrote:   
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   >>> Car and energy experts, however, say there is no such thing as a   
   >>> zero-emissions vehicle: For now and the foreseeable future, the energy   
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   >> California is reducing natural gas and is on track to all green   
   >> energy. An electric car allows immediate exploitation of each   
   >> increase in green power. Your car will remain a pollution creator   
   >> for the forseeable future   
   >>   
   >>> states that depend on coal to generate electricity, and some suggest   
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   >> California does not depend on coal. We depend on hydroelectric,   
   >> solar, wind turbines, geothermal, and natural gas.   
      
      
   The grid gets electric from hundreds of miles away.... and Wyoming   
   produces a lot of Coal and is likely still using it to create electricity.   
   Possibly Montana as well.   
      
   That coal fired electricity may be getting to California as California's   
   HYDRO is drying up.  And wind/solar can't do it all.  There's precious   
   little Geothermal and NAT-GAS is getting very expensive...   
      
   Plus the cars and batteries aren't made in California and heavy metals   
   aren't mined/smelted in California so the car its self is a huge Carbon   
   footprint that takes years to reach a point of CARBON-NEUTRAL where the   
   amount saved by driving it reaches the amount of fossil fuel carbon   
   produced in making the EV car.   
      
   Which means that for every EV sold there is COAL and NAT-GAS and oil and   
   almost no solar/wind or Geo or hydro energy used to produce it and   
   transport it to California.  As with replacement parts and tires... and   
   batteries.  It all takes fossil fuel and/or nuclear and all has to be   
   transported to California.  And if it's from China then the ships are   
   fossil fuel.   
      
   It also means that you can't drive it when you have rolling black-outs   
   because the "sustainable" sources aren't up to speed and can't produce   
   enough or efficiently enough to make it viable. That loss of use creates   
   more inefficiency (a GLOBAL WARMING FEED-BACK LOOP of more CO2) caused   
   by bad decisions, and drives up the per mile cost and amount of Carbon   
   needed to be off-set before the car reaches Carbon neutral because you   
   have to either lose productivity and miss work which is creating   
   inefficiency in the economy or you have to buy two cars which creates   
   double the Carbon footprint to get to work or doctor, plus the fossil   
   fuel powered car is likely to get more use because it's easy and   
   efficient to use.   
      
   An actual better idea is a hybrid, and interestingly there was an   
   article posted today about Volkswagen having a Hydrogen power plant for   
   their cars that's in the planning stages.   
      
   Which means a Hydrogen/Electric Hybrid could be a reality.... and that   
   might actually work. That part of the load and inefficiency is taken off   
   of the electric GRID and having to own two types of vehicle for   
   different fuel sources. And using electric may be more expensive than   
   hydrogen... in the future.   
      
   On the other hand with all the Hydrogen exhaust being water vapor, it   
   might mean air conditioners and dehumidifiers and huge Condensate water   
   extraction could be used to pull water from the air to be used for   
   humans or even maybe cheap enough to be for farming or hydroponics   
   greenhouses.   
      
      
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