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   test... or can the State of Oregon pass a law that says if they want to   
   be on the ballot they have to pass the States mental competency test to   
   be placed on the ballot?   
      
      
   > A permit would last five years.   
   >   
      
   No such thing in the Constitution as a permit to exercise a RIGHT OF THE   
   PEOPLE.   
      
   > Licensed firearm dealers, private gun sellers and any sales or gun   
   > transfers that occur at gun shows would require validation that the   
   > buyer had a valid permit-to-purchase a firearm.   
      
   NOT their job to enforce unconstitutional government laws... The person   
   has to be stopped by law enforcement with infringing the RIGHT of the   
   people NOT duly convicted of a crime...  The innocent aren't punished   
   for the crimes of the guilty. That's NOT how the Constitution works.   
      
   >   
   > Once a permit holder wants to buy a gun, state police would conduct   
   > its usual firearms purchase background check, and that check would   
   > have to be completed before any gun were sold or transferred, under   
   > the measure.   
      
      
   Infringing on the rights of the people who committed no crime, because   
   DEMOCRAT POLITICIANS and DEMOCRAT law enforcement is too lazy or stupid   
   to do their jobs in a way that is Constitutional?   
      
   I don't see that option in the Constitution where is says THE RIGHT OF   
   THE PEOPLE SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED unless it's LAZY STUPID DEMOCRATS   
   making laws and then it's OK to infringe on the RIGHTS of the PEOPLE who   
   weren't found guilty with due process of the law...  SO if a criminal   
   gets due process why are the innocent NOT innocent until proven guilty   
   in a court of law using due process and the innocent are now being   
   subjected to the same punishment as the people guilty of crimes   
   determined by due process?    ALL THE PEOPLE are being deemed guilty of   
   a crime with/out due process and subjected to the same search and   
   seizure of their RIGHT to keep and bear arms...   
   > As for the training, Anthony Johnson, spokesperson for the Measure 114   
   > campaign, said the measure doesn't require live-fire training, but   
   > hands-on training that demonstrates the applicant knows how to fire a   
   > gun, through dry-fire training using an unloaded pistol, or mock or   
   > laser gun.   
   >   
      
   The word *REQUIRE* sounds like your RIGHT to keep and bear is being   
   infringed. Where is that DUE PROCESS to show they have been convicted of   
   a crime so that they are considered a slave as per the 13th Amendment,   
   in order for the constitution to allow you to require they do something   
   (if you do it ; then you can exercise your right) to exercise a RIGHT   
   the people already have in the Constitution without the law telling them   
   they can use it but only if they meet the standards of the (if/then) law.   
      
   The problem with that is that the U.S. Constitution has the SUPREMACY   
   CLAUSE that says the U.S. Constitution and FEDERAL LAW which is supreme,   
   has the ultimate higher authority where both have jurisdiction.... which   
   means that if the Feds have the Constitutional power to make gun laws   
   then State laws can't over rule them. And if the Feds are NOT delegated   
   and the States are denied the power to make gun laws then it's a RIGHT   
   of the people.  Or if it's openly stated in the Constitution that it's a   
   RIGHT of the people then there is NO power delegated to the feds and the   
   States are being denied that power all in the same sentence (the right   
   of the people to keep and bear Arms).   
      
   The State laws are meaningless and Federal laws are telling the Feds and   
   the States they have ZERO JURISDICTION about the RIGHT of the people to   
   keep and bear arms. Which means State laws mandating you do things to be   
   allowed to exercise your RIGHT would allow States to mandate that you   
   pay a tax or get State approved education before you can Pray to your   
   God. Or before you Speak To PEOPLE, it's the RIGHT of the people to   
   exercise their RELIGIOUS beliefs. And the States can't limit that   
   freedom to tell you what God or Prayer your RIGHT can be limited to.   
      
   > Oregon State Police would still have authority to fashion specific   
   > rules governing training, with oversight of lawmakers, Johnson said.   
   >   
   > The measure also bans the manufacture, purchase, sale, possession or   
   > transfer of ammunition magazines capable of holding more than 10   
   > rounds, excluding law enforcement and the military. A violation would   
   > be a class A misdemeanor.   
   >   
      
   Making you own arms is a RIGHT.  No one can ban a person NOT convicted   
   with due process from making a gun. If you commit a crime and are   
   convicted with due process you are a slave.   
      
     *Amendment XIII*   
   Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, *except as a*   
   *punishment for crime* whereof the party shall have been duly convicted,   
   shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their   
   jurisdiction.   
      
   Which means that your sentence can include slavery as a punishment. And   
   Denying RIGHT like the RIGHT to keep and bear arms or denying freedom to   
   choose a religion are able to be denied if it's part of the punishment.   
      
   But if denying the slave a gun it can only be denied by the time they   
   are being punished so denying the right to vote own a gun or exercise a   
   religion is a life time punishment or it's for a time limited by the   
   time they serve the prison sentence.   
      
   A non violent crime hardly seems worthy of a life time sentence to deny   
   voting or exercising a religion or to deny the RIGHT to keep and bear arms.   
      
   > Licensed dealers who already own larger-capacity magazines have 180   
   > days from the day the measure takes effect to sell them to an   
   > out-of-state gun dealer or other person out of state or to destroy   
   > them.   
   >   
      
   NOT constitutional!   
      
   > After the 180 days, gun dealers can sell or transfer only newly   
   > manufactured high-capacity magazines marked with a special stamp   
   > denoting they're for military or law enforcement use – two exceptions   
   > under the law.   
   >   
   > People who already own the magazines can keep them in a private home   
   > or on private property, use them at a shooting range or in a shooting   
   > competition, or for recreational purposes such as hunting as allowed   
   > by state law.   
   >   
      
   Or apparently make then for themselves.  Like the 80% milled "Ghost   
   guns" that Democrats tell us are somehow illegal when making a gun got   
   your self is NOT illegal Maybe the U.S.P.S. won't ship them, but they   
   are legal under the U.S. Constitution and the RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE.   
      
   > Similar bans are in place in Washington and California. However, both   
   > Washington's and California's bans are facing court challenges.   
   >   
   > While the passage of Measure 114 shows the strength of the gun safety   
   > movement right now, it's too early to tell if the law will survive   
   > constitutional scrutiny in the wake of the major U.S. Supreme Court   
   > ruling in late June overturning a New York gun safety law, said Adam   
   > Winkler, a constitutional law professor at UCLA School of Law.   
   >   
   > One court challenge already has been filed in Oregon seeking to keep   
   > provisions of the measure from going into effect.   
      
   Being unconstitutional means the court has no jurisdiction.  It also   
   means the LAW MAKERS attempting to enact that law are violating our   
   RIGHTS and should have to prove that they have the RIGHT to pass that   
   law at the supreme court before it's ever enacted.  If it's important   
   then the Supreme Court will get to it promptly.   
      
   If it's held up by all the other laws being challenged then so be it. I   
   guess they should make sure their laws are constitutional.   
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