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   From: NOT-SURE@idiocracy.gov   
      
   On 1/2/23 1:04 PM, D. Ray wrote:   
   > The Western Classical notion of identity comes to us from Herodotus’   
   > Histories, written in the 5th century B.C.  It’s from Herodotus that we   
   > have the story of the 300 Spartans at Thermopylae, told in the broader   
   > context of the entire Hellenic world’s successful resistance of the Persian   
   > invasion.  In order to do that, the Spartans (Dorians) and Athenians   
   > (Ionians) had to overcome their differences and join together to defend   
   > what was common to both of them as Greeks.   
   >   
   > In Book VIII, there is a scene in which the Athenians explain to a   
   > messenger from Sparta why the Spartans should side with the Athenians and   
   > not the Persians.  (It should be remembered that both the ancient Greeks   
   > and ancient Persians were Indo-European peoples.)   
   >   
   > “First and foremost of these is that the images and buildings of the gods   
   > have been burned and demolished, so that we are bound by necessity to exact   
   > the greatest revenge on the man who performed these deeds, rather than to   
   > make agreements with him. And second, it would not be fitting for the   
   > Athenians to prove traitors to the Greek people, with whom we are united in   
   > sharing the same kinship and language, with whom we have established   
   > shrines and conduct sacrifices to the gods together, and with whom we also   
   > share the same way of life.” (VIII:144.2)   
   >   
   > In this passage are no less than four criteria for being a Greek, or   
   > Hellene: common religion, common blood, common language, and common   
   > customs.  (One could argue that customs are almost entirely derivative of   
   > religion and blood, but we will stick to the four-part formulation in the   
   > text.)  That was 2500 years ago, but in my opinion this is still the best   
   > and most comprehensive working definition of national identity.  This is   
   > because one can extract it from this particular situation in ancient   
   > history and apply it to virtually anywhere in the world at any time.  The   
   > four elements of identity are either present or absent, to varying degrees,   
   > and a people are correspondingly either strong or weak.   
   >   
      
   Making the Democrats Multiculturalism, a *NATION KILLER* and they sure   
   tried to force it on us to kill our NATIONAL IDENTITY.   
      
   I notice that Obama and Biden tell us often that *THAT'S NOT WHO WE ARE*   
   as if they control us and who we are or will become.   
      
      
      
   > The story of the Greek resistance to Persian tyranny is the story of the   
   > self-realization and self-actualization of a people.  When the four   
   > elements of identity are in place, they work together synergistically to   
   > form a kind of collective body, capable of functioning as an organic whole.   
   >   The Persian army was numerically much stronger than the Greek, but most of   
   > their soldiers were conscripts from conquered territories who were forced   
   > into service.  They were Persians in name only.   
      
   Like the Democrats Multicultural Conscripts that are forced by law to   
   acquiesce to the overlords wishes rather than choose to work together on   
   our own as "our" Constitution says:   
      
   Article I   
   Section 8. The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes,   
   Duties, Imposts and Excises, *to pay the Debts and provide for* the   
   *common Defence* and *general Welfare* *of the United States* ;   
      
   ...but it says nothing about the welfare of individual persons.  SO the   
   Democrats Multiculturalism that targets individual persons in the United   
   States who are further described as a separate entity the way religion   
   and government are separate entities.   
      
   Amendment X   
   The *powers not delegated to the United States* by the Constitution, nor   
   *prohibited by it to the States* , *are reserved to the States*   
   respectively, *or* to *the people*.   
      
   NOTICE THAT "THE UNITED STATES" is a separate entity from "the States"   
   or "the PEOPLE"...  SO when Article I Section 8 says   
      
   *pay the Debts and provide for the* *common Defence* and *general*   
   *Welfare* *of the United States*   
      
   It's NOT referring to THE PEOPLE it's specifically speaking to the   
   defense and welfare of the ENTITY called the United States which is the   
   Jurisdiction of the Federal Government and *WE THE PEOPLE* are NOT   
   subjects of a Kingdom so we aren't part of that FEDERAL Jurisdiction and   
   neither are "the States".   
      
   Which means that mandating Multiculturalism and person to person   
   equality (or equity of outcomes) is NOT a constitutional power...  ONLY   
   the relationship between the GOVERNMENT and the States or the   
   relationship between the Government and THE PEOPLE is delegated by   
   Constitutional powers. There is not an interpersonal connection between   
   people that is there to mandate Multiculturalism or hate, love and fear,   
   of the people, they have to find their own way, the government can't   
   force a person to conform to accept another person as a marriage partner   
   or as a friend or as an equal...  it's NOT in the government's job   
   description.  It never was, you can only be an equal by law where law is   
   Constitutional and there is no Constitutional law that says you are   
   mandated to treat your fellow person as your equal. The Constitutional   
   laws say you can't infringe on others RIGHTS... Civil Liberties are the   
   RIGHTS given to you by your Government, which are limited to the   
   delegated powers the Constitution has enumerated to the United States.   
      
      
      
      
   >   
   > It’s interesting to note that the Athenians tell the Spartan messenger that   
   > the most important reason for opposing the Persians is their desecration of   
   > Greek religious shrines.  (It should be remembered that the Spartans were   
   > known as both the fiercest warriors of the ancient world and also the most   
   > pious, dividing their time more or less equally between military training   
   > and religious ritual.  How Evolian.)  The Classical notion of identity is   
   > thus supportive of the Traditionalist view of the primacy of religious   
   > faith – that “culture comes from the cult,” as Russell Kirk put it –   
   but it   
   > also checks it by including the other criteria.  Common faith alone will   
   > not suffice, even if it is ultimately the most important unifying factor of   
   > a culture.   
      
      
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