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From: NOT-SURE@idiocracy.gov
On 12/29/22 8:12 AM, -hh wrote:
> On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 7:12:37 AM UTC-5, NoBody wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Dec 2022 14:13:25 -0500, governo...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Wed, 28 Dec 2022 07:04:18 -0500, NoBody wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 27 Dec 2022 12:05:47 -0500, governo...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>> Goalpost move noted. Please adjust your range below to 1/4 charge.
>>>
>>> You completely missed the point, Dumbo. Your EV fills up every night
>>> after you get home.
>
> Clarification: it offers the option to do this because it isn't a special
trip.
> That doesn't mean that the battery's completely drained.
>
Leave your home and your EV won't be able to get a charge anywhere else
in your rolling black out or storm area. You may get stranded in the
cold and have to walk home in the cold. That's how people die.
And the Batteries may not be as charged as you think so when you go into
a store fresh from a hopefully warmer garage, your battery may not be
able to move the EV.
>>> Do you stop at the gas station and top off every day? No? Then your
>>> ICE is handicapped by the fact that it doesn't usually have a full tank.
>
> That too, but what not need to refill an ICE tank ~daily shows is that this
> person's use case doesn't generally need the tank capacity that this ICE has.
>
I have a few 5 gal cans of gas around for the mower and in case I
accidentally run out or someone I know runs out of gas and calls me.
Do you keep a 5 gallon can of electricity in case you run out and need
some energy for an EMERGENCY?
>> So now you're admitting the handicap that EV's have. If you don't
>> charge them EVERY NIGHT good luck getting range.
>
> Not really, because the use cycle refueling behavior isn't giving you as
> much of an advantage as you think it is. Case in point, assume a 14 gal
> tank where you refuel when the light comes on (~2 gal reserve): that
> means that you're refilling an average of around 12 gallons per stop, so
> the random 'fuel remaining' during this cycle is roughly (12/2 + 2) = 8
gallons.
> Now if the car is rated at 420 miles/tank (14*30mpg), the random check
> condition is actually just (8*30) = 240 miles. Perhaps now you're starting
> to figure out how automakers decide what size to make an EV's battery?
>
If you live in the city, an EV may be a valid choice... but NOT so much
in lower density areas, what about Alaska? Would you buy an EV if you
lived in Alaska/Montana?
>
>
>> Silly me thinking
>> the point of EV's was about efficiency and saving the environment.
>
Looks like it's more about controlling people.
> It is: EVs are about being more efficient *and* helping the environment,
Can't be, they waste more energy and it takes years for an EV to break
even on the Carbon invested in it and in producing that energy to run it
and all those batteries that have to be made by mining and smelting with
fossil fuels.
They aren't very efficient using that fossil fuel created Electricity
transported on the GRID. The loss in transforming and transferring that
energy to and from transportable energy and back to usable energy and
the line loss is a loss of MPG of the fossil fuel and Solar/Wind
produced energy on that GRID. In the end the EV's may not last long
enough to reach ZERO CARBON status where the amount of Fossil Fuel
Carbon to make the EV's the Solar/Wind generating and meet the GRID
system's needs, is equal to the fossil fuel saved.
Having the input of fossil fuel equal the amount of fossil fuel saved by
driving the car enough miles to hit that CARBON NEUTRAL SWEET SPOT, and
then "start" to be a zero carbon vehicle.
> not making the refueling pattern being identical to legacy ICEs. Given that
> one no longer needs to go make a special trips to go get gas because its
> now a <30 second "plug in" in the garage at home, its not an earth-shaking
It makes a hybrid trip to get gas for the engine less of a special
trip... except that plugging into the electric at home will waste as
much or more energy than going to the gas station once in a rare while.
or you can keep a 5 gal can of gas like I do to pour in when I don't
want to make a trip to the gas station, it keeps the lawn mower gas
fresh so I don't have old stale gas to pour into the lawn mowers etc.
> inconvenience, even if the duty cycle means that it needs to be plugged in
> ~2x more often than the ICE's runs to the gas station. Its a chore
equivalent
> to taking out the garbage .. how often do (or should) you do that each week?
>
>
>> There's nothing efficent about being forced to charge every night. The
>> range between fill ups of my car is unchanged, whether I use it or not.
>
> At ~1/2 the range, it means you need to do it ~2x more often than ICE
refueling.
> If you don't refuel every 2 days, then you're not driving enough to also
need to
> recharge nightly.
>
> Plus recharging at home means you're not being forced to make a special trip
out
> or stop for gasoline ... what's that worth? If you try to claim "nothing",
then you're
> going to have to come do that chore for me at zero time & labor cost to me
for a
> year to prove to everyone on AFRL that you're not lying/exaggerating.
>
> Plus if you really wanted the recharge mileage to be identical to ICE, a
bigger battery
> is simple to do - - but the question is if you're really willing to pay for
it. All designs
> are trade-offs, including of ICE's. For example, how much cubic feet of
trunk space
> are you willing to give up for a +1 gal larger gas tank?
>
The more weight you carry in the car the lower the mileage for battery
or gas. More batteries are heavier and cause a loss of efficiency. That
means a bigger grid system and more Solar/Wind to be needed to power
that waste.
>
>>>> So no, EV's can't go as far as ICE cars. You haven't done anything to
>>>> advance your argument here.
>>>
>>> How many miles do you drive in a day? 20? 50? That's six days worth
>>> of fuel. If the power stays out for over six days you've got worse
>>> troubles than the state of your fuel tank.
>>
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