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   From: jshem@yaxenu.org   
      
   D  writes:   
      
   [...]   
      
   > But... you are certainly right in what you are saying, but to a big   
   > extent this is due to government interfering in the markets, awarding   
   > companies enormous contracts and protecting them. So you have a   
   > downward spiral.   
      
   If governments are put together by companies, it's expected that they   
   would protect companies when necessary.  To dismantle government, we   
   need to take the power off companies in the first place.   
      
   > Remove the government and the rest will follow.   
      
   Can't remove government if you don't weaken the power of companies.   
   Government, which we see as opposed to companies, is actually their   
   secret weapon.   
      
   I don't think that what governments do is so difficult that interested   
   regular people can't do themselves.  An interesting idea is   
   ``sortition'': make ineffective company investment in government.   
   Instead of providing companies easy, docile politicians to work for   
   them, let them deal with regular people.  Some of these new government   
   officials will be failures, but what about the /average/ case?   
      
   I believe in people, but I recognize the fact that they appear totally   
   vulnerable to propaganda.  So I also realize that we need to protect   
   them from propaganda itself, therefore we need to weaken the power of   
   companies.  We won't achieve this protection by making government more   
   powerful because that means making companies more powerful.  We untie   
   government from companies by making companies investment in government   
   ineffective.  Instead of selecting government by popularity, we select   
   government by random choice.   
      
   > Now, one last thing. I admit that I am arguing for a "utopian state"   
   > and I admit that we are today _not_ living in this utopian state. The   
   > question of _how_ to get from today, to a world without governments,   
   > and with only individuals and companies is a different, but very   
   > interesting question.   
      
   I think everything here is doable.  We need to make our belief in   
   people's capacity to happen.   
      
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