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   XPost: comp.internet.services.google   
   From: nospam@example.net   
      
   On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Julieta Shem wrote:   
      
   > D  writes:   
   >   
   >> On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Julieta Shem wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> D  writes:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Anton Shepelev wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> D:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> I would assume there is no iron clad proof of this. On the   
   >>>>>> other hand, as I tell people I know who experienced the   
   >>>>>> same due to gender or nationality, you don't want to   
   >>>>>> remain at that company anyway so paradoxically you should   
   >>>>>> be happy it happened so you can move on to a company that   
   >>>>>> is more aligned with your values and interests.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> That's selfish.  The existance of such companies is harmful   
   >>>>> to the entire humanity, not only to persons with differing   
   >>>>> values.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> No, it's rational. Companies are private property and therefore the   
   >>>> owner may do with them what they wish. The market will sort out   
   >>>> companies who reject competent employees in time, and companies who   
   >>>> accept competent employees regardless of color will thrive.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The entity that makes this a problem is the government.   
   >>>   
   >>> But isn't government put together by companies?   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> No it's politicians. What differentiates government and companies is   
   >> that government govern countries and are back with violence. What   
   >> defines a company is that it acts on markets and have customers who   
   >> can voluntarily choose to do business or not with the company.   
   >   
   > Together, companies make up a huge amount of money and other kinds of   
   > power.  They finance the campaigns and effectively attract politicians   
   > who will (un)naturally be docile to their desires.  Hasn't times changed   
   > from monarchies to a new form of government that is simply an oligarchy?   
   >   
   > Perhaps you can choose your leader, but that's irrelevant.   
   >   
   > Real discussions don't even come up.  We have a population that's   
   > totally vulnerable to propaganda, which is what companies are   
   > specialized in.   
   >   
      
   Yet you are here pointing this out which disproves what you're saying. If   
   you and I can realize this, so can others. Not affirming this feels a bit   
   elitist to me.   
      
   But... you are certainly right in what you are saying, but to a big extent   
   this is due to government interfering in the markets, awarding companies   
   enormous contracts and protecting them. So you have a downward spiral.   
      
   Remove the government and the rest will follow.   
      
   Now, one last thing. I admit that I am arguing for a "utopian state" and I   
   admit that we are today _not_ living in this utopian state. The question   
   of _how_ to get from today, to a world without governments, and with only   
   individuals and companies is a different, but very interesting question.   
      
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