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   Message 166,715 of 168,055   
   phoenix to KKKernal Corn   
   Re: ????"storming chruches"???? (1/2)   
   24 Jan 26 12:08:15   
   
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   XPost: alt.slack, alt.fucknozzles   
   From: j63840576@gmail.com   
      
   KKKernal Corn wrote:   
   > On Sat, 24 Jan 2026 10:17:35 -0600, phoenix    
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >> jojo wrote:   
   >>> KKKernal Corn wrote:   
   >>>> On Fri, 23 Jan 2026 19:17:37 +0000, jojo  wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> KKKernal Corn wrote:   
   >>>>>> On Fri, 23 Jan 2026 09:20:46 -0700, %  wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> KKKernal Corn wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On Fri, 23 Jan 2026 07:37:54 -0700, %  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> KKKernal Corn wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 23 Jan 2026 06:03:14 -0700, %  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> KKKernal Corn wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 22 Jan 2026 18:17:26 -0700, %    
   >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> KKKernal Corn wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 22 Jan 2026 19:48:45 +0000, "Doc Hammerslack"   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At Thu, 22 Jan 2026 19:42:13 +0000, KKKernal Corn   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 22 Jan 2026 17:31:02 +0000, ??????????Jen??????????   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dershmenderdenden...den-den *jazz hands*????????????????????   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 22 Jan 2026 17:18:51 +0000, LO AND BEHOLD;   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KKKernal Corn   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  determined that the following was of great   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> importance to KKKernal Corn  and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subsequently   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decided to freely share it with us in   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ???? On Thu, 22 Jan 2026 09:44:22 -0600, phoenix   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote: ???? ???????? KKKernal Corn   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ???????????? On Thu, 22 Jan 2026 10:58:06 +0000,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ??????????Jen?????????? ????????????   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dershmenderdenden...den-den *jazz   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hands*???????????????????? ????????????    
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ???????????????? Yes, ICE arrests at churches happen,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially since   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Trump-Vance ???????????????? administration ended   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prior federal   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> restrictions on enforcement at ???????????????? sensitive   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> locations,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allowing agents to enter public church areas (like   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ????????????????   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lobbies, parking lots) with probable cause but needing   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> warrants for   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ???????????????? private spaces, leading to increased   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> controversy,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lawsuits by religious ???????????????? groups, and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community fear, with   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some pastors and activists pushing ???????????????? back   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> against these   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actions as violations of religious freedom and due   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ????????????????   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process. Why ICE Actions at Churches Have Increased   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Policy Shift:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For ???????????????? years, there was a policy limiting   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> immigration   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enforcement at places of ???????????????? worship, but   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this was   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reversed, granting ICE more discretion. "Public"   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ???????????????? vs.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Private" Areas: ICE can conduct arrests in public church   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> areas   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ???????????????? (parking lots, entryways) without a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> warrant if they   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have probable ???????????????? cause, but judicial   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> warrants are needed   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for private spaces (offices, ????????????????   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> confessionals). Examples   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> & Controversies Lawsuits: Numerous ????????????????   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> denominations   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Lutheran, Baptist, Quaker) sued the administration over   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ???????????????? these policy changes, citing arrests in   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parking lots   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and near ???????????????? preschools. Protests: Activists   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disrupted services and protested ???????????????? at   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> churches where   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> officials involved in immigration enforcement are   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ????????????????   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members, leading to DOJ investigations into potential   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> civil rights   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ???????????????? violations. Community Fear: These   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actions cause   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anxiety among immigrant ???????????????? communities,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with churches   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> holding "Know Your Rights" sessions to help ????????????????   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parishioners. What to Do If Stopped by ICE at a Church   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Know Your   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rights: ???????????????? You can remain silent and don't   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to sign   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything. Demand a ???????????????? Warrant: Ask to see a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> judicial   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> warrant before allowing entry into ????????????????   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> private areas.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Contact a Lawyer: State clearly, "I want to speak to a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ????????????????   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lawyer". In essence, while houses of worship are considered   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sensitive ???????????????? locations, federal law allows for   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enforcement in public areas, leading ???????????????? to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ongoing legal   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> challenges and community tensions. ???????????? That   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't allow   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> radical agitators.protestors to enter churches to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ????????????   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agitate/protest, though. ???????? SO basically there's no   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> law against   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it yet. I guess there will be in ???????? fifteen yrs.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ???? ????   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Basically, there is. There's the federal FACE act, in   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> addition to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which ???? many states have thri own. ????   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Origin: Passed after violent attacks on abortion clinics   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1980s and 90s.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because of right wing clinic bombers.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christian opposition to pro-death (aka pro-choice)   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> abortionists was   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the moral high ground.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nobody on the left is bombing a damn thing   
      
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