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   Message 166,724 of 168,055   
   jojo to phoenix   
   Re: ????"storming chruches"???? (1/2)   
   24 Jan 26 21:28:22   
   
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   phoenix wrote:   
   > jojo wrote:   
   >> phoenix wrote:   
   >>> jojo wrote:   
   >>>> phoenix wrote:   
   >>>>> jojo wrote:   
   >>>>>> KKKernal Corn wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On Fri, 23 Jan 2026 19:17:37 +0000, jojo  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> KKKernal Corn wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 23 Jan 2026 09:20:46 -0700, %   
   >>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>>>> KKKernal Corn wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 23 Jan 2026 07:37:54 -0700, %   
   >>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>> KKKernal Corn wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 23 Jan 2026 06:03:14 -0700, %   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> KKKernal Corn wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 22 Jan 2026 18:17:26 -0700, %   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KKKernal Corn wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 22 Jan 2026 19:48:45 +0000, "Doc   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hammerslack"   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At Thu, 22 Jan 2026 19:42:13 +0000, KKKernal   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Corn    
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 22 Jan 2026 17:31:02 +0000,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ??????????Jen??????????   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dershmenderdenden...den-den *jazz   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hands*????????????????????   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 22 Jan 2026 17:18:51 +0000, LO AND   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BEHOLD; KKKernal Corn   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  determined that the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following was of great   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> importance to KKKernal Corn    
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and subsequently   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decided to freely share it with us in   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ???? On Thu, 22 Jan 2026 09:44:22 -0600, phoenix   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote: ???? ????????   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KKKernal Corn wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ???????????? On Thu, 22 Jan 2026 10:58:06 +0000,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ??????????Jen?????????? ????????????   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dershmenderdenden...den-den *jazz   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hands*???????????????????? ????????????   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ???????????????? Yes, ICE arrests at churches   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen, especially since   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Trump-Vance ????????????????   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> administration ended prior federal   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> restrictions on enforcement at   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ???????????????? sensitive locations,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allowing agents to enter public church areas   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (like ????????????????   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lobbies, parking lots) with probable cause   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but needing warrants for   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ???????????????? private spaces, leading to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> increased controversy,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lawsuits by religious ????????????????   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> groups, and community fear, with   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some pastors and activists pushing   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ???????????????? back against these   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actions as violations of religious freedom   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and due ????????????????   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process. Why ICE Actions at Churches Have   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Increased Policy Shift:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For ???????????????? years, there was a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> policy limiting immigration   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enforcement at places of ????????????????   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worship, but this was   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reversed, granting ICE more discretion.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Public" ???????????????? vs.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Private" Areas: ICE can conduct arrests in   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> public church areas   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ???????????????? (parking lots, entryways)   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without a warrant if they   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have probable ???????????????? cause, but   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> judicial warrants are needed   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for private spaces (offices, ????????????????   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> confessionals). Examples   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> & Controversies Lawsuits: Numerous   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ???????????????? denominations   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Lutheran, Baptist, Quaker) sued the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> administration over   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ???????????????? these policy changes, citing   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arrests in parking lots   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and near ???????????????? preschools.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Protests: Activists have   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disrupted services and protested   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ???????????????? at churches where   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> officials involved in immigration enforcement   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are ????????????????   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members, leading to DOJ investigations into   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> potential civil rights   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ???????????????? violations. Community Fear:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> These actions cause   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anxiety among immigrant ????????????????   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> communities, with churches   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> holding "Know Your Rights" sessions to help   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ????????????????   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parishioners. What to Do If Stopped by ICE at   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a Church Know Your   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rights: ???????????????? You can remain   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> silent and don't have to sign   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything. Demand a ???????????????? Warrant:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ask to see a judicial   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> warrant before allowing entry into   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ???????????????? private areas.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Contact a Lawyer: State clearly, "I want to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speak to a ????????????????   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lawyer". In essence, while houses of worship   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are considered   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sensitive ???????????????? locations, federal   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> law allows for   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enforcement in public areas, leading   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ???????????????? to ongoing legal   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> challenges and community tensions.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ???????????? That doesn't allow   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> radical agitators.protestors to enter   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> churches to ????????????   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agitate/protest, though. ???????? SO   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> basically there's no law against   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it yet. I guess there will be in ????????   
      
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