From: bugchick@clara.co.uk   
      
   "Kevin"  wrote in message   
   news:EqSUa.140768$GL4.35799@rwcrnsc53...   
   > I think June doesn't understand anything that I've stated.   
      
   To the contrary Kevin, I think you don't understand that we're coming from   
   totally different angles for the same thing.   
      
   >June, I never   
   > ONCE implied a homeschooled child never leaves the home.  That would be,   
   > well, STUPID.  I am a highly educated person (masters level in education).   
   > Please give me SOME credit!   
      
   I didn't think I hadn't. However, with that statement you've kind of summed   
   it up; education isn't about exams. Education occurs everywhere if you're   
   Home Educating, and I do literally mean everywhere. I'm not saying that the   
   school system is wrong, just that the way of learning whilst Home Educating   
   is entirely different.   
      
   >There is a HUGE divide between educational   
   > discussion and social discussion.  SOcial discussion is when I call a   
   friend   
   > on the phone and "gossip".   
      
   Only if you *want* to divide it in to compartments. This is what I'm saying,   
   what you don't seem to be picking up. For us the whole gamut of discussion   
   *isn't* seperate. We can be discussing things socially and it will mutate in   
   to an educational discussion and they might not even realise it; there are   
   no set hours for learning, they learn the whole time they're awake. Every   
   single conversation has a potential for imparting knowledge.   
      
   >I don't learn the fundamentals of long division   
   > by doing that, do I?   
      
   Why not? My then 8 year old started to learn about fractions after watching   
   a Rugrats episode that brought up some questions. Fractions can be taught   
   during cookery, for example. Every situation can be employed. This is a   
   fundamental difference between HE and school. I understand the difference,   
   but I'm not sure you're seeing it at the moment.   
      
   >I don't learn the history of California (for example)   
   > and how their families came to settle there.  I do learn that Peggy is   
   > pregnant and Johnny went to see "Rent" on Broadway and Jill's grandkids   
   are   
   > growing so big.   
      
   And that's because you don't see what you term as 'social' conversation as   
   having a capacity for being educational, at least not within a school   
   context. If I were having that same conversation with my children I would   
   include some sex education because of the pregnancy, some social commentary   
   for the Broadway musical and a discussion on how much we grow each year etc   
   for the grandkids. Do you see what I mean? As an HEr I take each opportunity   
   as it arises. As a school teacher you teach set lessons. It's all very   
   different, but both are as valid.   
      
   >I do agree at times they may overlap, but June seems to   
   > want to be the one to generalize here, but she's also trying to sell a   
   > system.  I am NOT saying it is a bad system, but there are better systems   
   > and it does take parental involvement to make ALL systems work.   
      
   How am *I* trying to sell a system Kevin, when most HErs do things   
   differently to each other but school teachers have to fit within certain   
   boundaries and limits? I'm certainly not generalising, I'm telling you how   
   it is with my own children and the children they socialise with. I have   
   nothing to gain by telling it like it is, I don't get paid for it and most   
   of you are in a different country to me so influencing people to start HE   
   won't benefit me at all.   
      
   June   
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