From: jrr@flippers.com   
      
   On 2022/11/19 8:15 a.m., Deanie Spikes wrote:   
   > On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 9:48:36 AM UTC-6, John Robertson wrote:   
   >> On 2022/11/16 5:49 a.m., Deanie Spikes wrote:   
   >>> On Friday, March 5, 2004 at 6:14:08 PM UTC-6, Andy Guthrie wrote:   
   >>>> Well thanks for the warning... Unfortunately, it's said and done. I   
   >>>> straightened out the contact and side A is now back in the game.   
   >>>> Everything is back to its original state, plus side A is working, but I   
   >>>> am getting the occasional wrong selection error.   
   >>>> The most common mistake seems to be it reading a 5 as a 2 (i.e., playing   
   >>>> 126 instead of 156).   
   >>>> Until I scrape together the cash for the service manuals... Any   
   suggestions?   
   >>>> Happy Seeburg Olympian Owner wrote:   
   >>>>> the strip is called a Tormat :)   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> i wold not remove the tormat unless you have the manual!!! the pice that   
   >>>>> scans the tormat if i remember right can be removed seperatly >>>> manual>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Jim w   
   >>>>> "Andy Guthrie"  wrote in message   
   >>>>> news:4047a036$0$3078$61fe...@news.rcn.com...   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> Well, here's an update.   
   >>>>>> I can only assume that I was mistaken about seeing side A work at the   
   >>>>>> previous owners house. I pulled the front off and found that the contact   
   >>>>>> for the A side of the record (where it scans the magnetic o-rings) is   
   >>>>>> bent. I am going to try to remove the strip of magnetic o-rings (gee,   
   >>>>>> can you tell I'm a newbie with these terms?) and straighten out the   
   >>>>>> sensor. I sure hope this works...   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Andy Guthrie wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Hi everyone- my first post.   
   >>>>>>> I have officially started my jukebox "collection" by buying a Seeburg   
   >>>>>>> STD4 "Mardi Gras" model.   
   >>>>>>> Things seem to be ok, except I cannot play side "A" of the records. All   
   >>>>>>> of the side B's (the 2xx selections) work fine.   
   >>>>>>> I followed Tony Miller's troubleshooting guide, and connected the   
   >>>>>>> negative side of a D battery to the tormat lead, and the machine did   
   >>>>>>> pick up each disc, but again, only played the B sides. The A sides were   
   >>>>>>> working when I checked out the machine prior to buying it, so I get the   
   >>>>>>> feeling that a wire may have fallen loose during the move.   
   >>>>>>> When I punch in a 1xx selection, the mechanism scans twice and then   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> parks.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Any ideas what might cause the skipping of the 1xx selections?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Thanks!   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>> Hi, Andy! I realize that I am replying to an ancient post, but I figured   
   it wouldn't hurt to try. I have the same issue with the exact same jukebox.   
   You mentioned that you straightened out the contact for side A selections   
   because it was slightly    
   bent. Could you please explain where this contact is located? I'm not sure   
   where to look! Thanks, so much!   
   >> Check connections in all the plugs related to the keyboard and Tormat   
   >> (move outward if those are all good). You may find a damaged Molex pin,   
   >> or a pin that is pushed back relative to the others so it is no longer   
   >> making contact.   
   >>   
   >> This is not uncommon...   
   >>   
   >> John :-#)#   
   >> --   
   > John, thanks for the advice!  Please forgive my ignorance, but do I need to   
   remove the mechanism in order to check the connections in all the plugs   
   related to the keyboard and Tormat and look for damaged Molex pins?  When I   
   got the jukebox, it was not    
   working.  Lights came on, but the mechanism was stuck all the way to the right   
   (when looking from the back).  After researching a LOT, I felt confident   
   enough to remove the mechanism, which I did.  I oiled the motor, and manually   
   turned the coupling    
   until a full cycle was complete.  It seemed to have been stuck in the play   
   position.  I sprayed the contacts (only the few that I saw....I'm sure I   
   missed some) with contact cleaner.  I replaced everything, and it started   
   scanning!  I did the battery    
   test, and it picked up every #2 side, but none of the #1 sides.   
   >   
   > Sorry for rambling, but I just wanted to explain what I had done.  So, back   
   to my original question...do I need to remove the mechanism again in order to   
   check for damaged connections or pins?  Stupid question #2: is the tarmat part   
   of the whole    
   mechanism that comes out?  Where, exactly, is it?  Thanks for tolerating my   
   ignorance!   
      
   No, you shouldn't have to remove the mechanism to check the connections.   
   I'm thinking checking at the control center first.   
      
   As for not playing one side, do check the manual and make sure you have   
   set up the Tormat Readout contacts correctly. And the the Tormat is   
   aligned correctly, and that the Reversing Switch on the mechanism is   
   operating correctly - that the circuit to the readout switches - if   
   present - is exchanged correctly.   
      
   I hope you have the manual! It should go into detail on troubleshooting   
   and adjustments.   
      
   John :-#)#   
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