From: jrr@flippers.com   
      
   On 2022/12/04 2:42 p.m., Deanie Spikes wrote:   
   > On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 3:23:00 PM UTC-6, John Robertson wrote:   
   >> On 2022/12/04 10:19 a.m., Deanie Spikes wrote:   
   >>> On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 2:40:39 PM UTC-6, Deanie Spikes wrote:   
   >>>> On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 11:01:51 AM UTC-6, John Robertson wrote:   
   >>>>> On 2022/11/19 8:15 a.m., Deanie Spikes wrote:   
   >>>>>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 9:48:36 AM UTC-6, John Robertson   
   wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On 2022/11/16 5:49 a.m., Deanie Spikes wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On Friday, March 5, 2004 at 6:14:08 PM UTC-6, Andy Guthrie wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> Well thanks for the warning... Unfortunately, it's said and done. I   
   >>>>>>>>> straightened out the contact and side A is now back in the game.   
   >>>>>>>>> Everything is back to its original state, plus side A is working,   
   but I   
   >>>>>>>>> am getting the occasional wrong selection error.   
   >>>>>>>>> The most common mistake seems to be it reading a 5 as a 2 (i.e.,   
   playing   
   >>>>>>>>> 126 instead of 156).   
   >>>>>>>>> Until I scrape together the cash for the service manuals... Any   
   suggestions?   
   >>>>>>>>> Happy Seeburg Olympian Owner wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>> the strip is called a Tormat :)   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> i wold not remove the tormat unless you have the manual!!! the pice   
   that   
   >>>>>>>>>> scans the tormat if i remember right can be removed seperatly   
   >>>>>>>>> manual>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Jim w   
   >>>>>>>>>> "Andy Guthrie"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>>>> news:4047a036$0$3078$61fe...@news.rcn.com...   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Well, here's an update.   
   >>>>>>>>>>> I can only assume that I was mistaken about seeing side A work at   
   the   
   >>>>>>>>>>> previous owners house. I pulled the front off and found that the   
   contact   
   >>>>>>>>>>> for the A side of the record (where it scans the magnetic o-rings)   
   is   
   >>>>>>>>>>> bent. I am going to try to remove the strip of magnetic o-rings   
   (gee,   
   >>>>>>>>>>> can you tell I'm a newbie with these terms?) and straighten out the   
   >>>>>>>>>>> sensor. I sure hope this works...   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Andy Guthrie wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone- my first post.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> I have officially started my jukebox "collection" by buying a   
   Seeburg   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> STD4 "Mardi Gras" model.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Things seem to be ok, except I cannot play side "A" of the   
   records. All   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> of the side B's (the 2xx selections) work fine.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> I followed Tony Miller's troubleshooting guide, and connected the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> negative side of a D battery to the tormat lead, and the machine   
   did   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> pick up each disc, but again, only played the B sides. The A   
   sides were   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> working when I checked out the machine prior to buying it, so I   
   get the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> feeling that a wire may have fallen loose during the move.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> When I punch in a 1xx selection, the mechanism scans twice and   
   then   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> parks.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Any ideas what might cause the skipping of the 1xx selections?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Hi, Andy! I realize that I am replying to an ancient post, but I   
   figured it wouldn't hurt to try. I have the same issue with the exact same   
   jukebox. You mentioned that you straightened out the contact for side A   
   selections because it was    
   slightly bent. Could you please explain where this contact is located? I'm not   
   sure where to look! Thanks, so much!   
   >>>>>>> Check connections in all the plugs related to the keyboard and Tormat   
   >>>>>>> (move outward if those are all good). You may find a damaged Molex pin,   
   >>>>>>> or a pin that is pushed back relative to the others so it is no longer   
   >>>>>>> making contact.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> This is not uncommon...   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> John :-#)#   
   >>>>>>> --   
   >>>>>> John, thanks for the advice! Please forgive my ignorance, but do I need   
   to remove the mechanism in order to check the connections in all the plugs   
   related to the keyboard and Tormat and look for damaged Molex pins? When I got   
   the jukebox, it was    
   not working. Lights came on, but the mechanism was stuck all the way to the   
   right (when looking from the back). After researching a LOT, I felt confident   
   enough to remove the mechanism, which I did. I oiled the motor, and manually   
   turned the coupling    
   until a full cycle was complete. It seemed to have been stuck in the play   
   position. I sprayed the contacts (only the few that I saw....I'm sure I missed   
   some) with contact cleaner. I replaced everything, and it started scanning! I   
   did the battery test,    
   and it picked up every #2 side, but none of the #1 sides.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Sorry for rambling, but I just wanted to explain what I had done. So,   
   back to my original question...do I need to remove the mechanism again in   
   order to check for damaged connections or pins? Stupid question #2: is the   
   tarmat part of the whole    
   mechanism that comes out? Where, exactly, is it? Thanks for tolerating my   
   ignorance!   
   >>>>> No, you shouldn't have to remove the mechanism to check the connections.   
   >>>>> I'm thinking checking at the control center first.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> As for not playing one side, do check the manual and make sure you have   
   >>>>> set up the Tormat Readout contacts correctly. And the the Tormat is   
   >>>>> aligned correctly, and that the Reversing Switch on the mechanism is   
   >>>>> operating correctly - that the circuit to the readout switches - if   
   >>>>> present - is exchanged correctly.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I hope you have the manual! It should go into detail on troubleshooting   
   >>>>> and adjustments.   
   >>>>> John :-#)#   
   >>>> Thank you, John. I have the manual, and have printed out several   
   adjustment pages. Hopefully, I'll be able to make some progress!   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> Well, I was able to play all records on side B with keypad selection. I   
   sprayed the contact strip on the tarmac with contact cleaner. I still cannot   
   make a side B selection. The juke box just scans and scans, and then stops. If   
   I trip the return    
   lever in the back, it will pick up a random record and play side A with no   
   trouble. It still will not allow me to play side A through the keypad. I'm   
   thinking that maybe I need to remove the mechanism again, and make sure that   
   the reverse lever is moving    
   freely. Still not sure where to check for damaged pins....   
   >> Your machine is NOT an STD4 and sounds like one of the early fifties   
   >> machines when you said you flipped a pin and were able to hear side "A".   
   ...(oops read that wrong)   
   >   
      
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