From: dspikes@yahoo.com   
      
   On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 3:23:00 PM UTC-6, John Robertson wrote:   
   > On 2022/12/04 10:19 a.m., Deanie Spikes wrote:    
   > > On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 2:40:39 PM UTC-6, Deanie Spikes wrote:    
   > >> On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 11:01:51 AM UTC-6, John Robertson wrote:    
   > >>> On 2022/11/19 8:15 a.m., Deanie Spikes wrote:    
   > >>>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 9:48:36 AM UTC-6, John Robertson   
   wrote:    
   > >>>>> On 2022/11/16 5:49 a.m., Deanie Spikes wrote:    
   > >>>>>> On Friday, March 5, 2004 at 6:14:08 PM UTC-6, Andy Guthrie wrote:    
   > >>>>>>> Well thanks for the warning... Unfortunately, it's said and done. I    
   > >>>>>>> straightened out the contact and side A is now back in the game.    
   > >>>>>>> Everything is back to its original state, plus side A is working,   
   but I    
   > >>>>>>> am getting the occasional wrong selection error.    
   > >>>>>>> The most common mistake seems to be it reading a 5 as a 2 (i.e.,   
   playing    
   > >>>>>>> 126 instead of 156).    
   > >>>>>>> Until I scrape together the cash for the service manuals... Any   
   suggestions?    
   > >>>>>>> Happy Seeburg Olympian Owner wrote:    
   > >>>>>>>> the strip is called a Tormat :)    
   > >>>>>>>>    
   > >>>>>>>> i wold not remove the tormat unless you have the manual!!! the pice   
   that    
   > >>>>>>>> scans the tormat if i remember right can be removed seperatly   
    >>>>>>>> manual>    
   > >>>>>>>>    
   > >>>>>>>> Jim w    
   > >>>>>>>> "Andy Guthrie"  wrote in message    
   > >>>>>>>> news:4047a036$0$3078$61fe...@news.rcn.com...    
   > >>>>>>>>    
   > >>>>>>>>> Well, here's an update.    
   > >>>>>>>>> I can only assume that I was mistaken about seeing side A work at   
   the    
   > >>>>>>>>> previous owners house. I pulled the front off and found that the   
   contact    
   > >>>>>>>>> for the A side of the record (where it scans the magnetic o-rings)   
   is    
   > >>>>>>>>> bent. I am going to try to remove the strip of magnetic o-rings   
   (gee,    
   > >>>>>>>>> can you tell I'm a newbie with these terms?) and straighten out   
   the    
   > >>>>>>>>> sensor. I sure hope this works...    
   > >>>>>>>>>    
   > >>>>>>>>>    
   > >>>>>>>>> Andy Guthrie wrote:    
   > >>>>>>>>>    
   > >>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone- my first post.    
   > >>>>>>>>>> I have officially started my jukebox "collection" by buying a   
   Seeburg    
   > >>>>>>>>>> STD4 "Mardi Gras" model.    
   > >>>>>>>>>> Things seem to be ok, except I cannot play side "A" of the   
   records. All    
   > >>>>>>>>>> of the side B's (the 2xx selections) work fine.    
   > >>>>>>>>>> I followed Tony Miller's troubleshooting guide, and connected the    
   > >>>>>>>>>> negative side of a D battery to the tormat lead, and the machine   
   did    
   > >>>>>>>>>> pick up each disc, but again, only played the B sides. The A   
   sides were    
   > >>>>>>>>>> working when I checked out the machine prior to buying it, so I   
   get the    
   > >>>>>>>>>> feeling that a wire may have fallen loose during the move.    
   > >>>>>>>>>> When I punch in a 1xx selection, the mechanism scans twice and   
   then    
   > >>>>>>>>    
   > >>>>>>>> parks.    
   > >>>>>>>>    
   > >>>>>>>>>> Any ideas what might cause the skipping of the 1xx selections?    
   > >>>>>>>>>>    
   > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks!    
   > >>>>>>>>>>    
   > >>>>>>>>>    
   > >>>>>>>>    
   > >>>>>>>>    
   > >>>>>> Hi, Andy! I realize that I am replying to an ancient post, but I   
   figured it wouldn't hurt to try. I have the same issue with the exact same   
   jukebox. You mentioned that you straightened out the contact for side A   
   selections because it was    
   slightly bent. Could you please explain where this contact is located? I'm not   
   sure where to look! Thanks, so much!    
   > >>>>> Check connections in all the plugs related to the keyboard and Tormat    
   > >>>>> (move outward if those are all good). You may find a damaged Molex   
   pin,    
   > >>>>> or a pin that is pushed back relative to the others so it is no longer    
   > >>>>> making contact.    
   > >>>>>    
   > >>>>> This is not uncommon...    
   > >>>>>    
   > >>>>> John :-#)#    
   > >>>>> --    
   > >>>> John, thanks for the advice! Please forgive my ignorance, but do I need   
   to remove the mechanism in order to check the connections in all the plugs   
   related to the keyboard and Tormat and look for damaged Molex pins? When I got   
   the jukebox, it was    
   not working. Lights came on, but the mechanism was stuck all the way to the   
   right (when looking from the back). After researching a LOT, I felt confident   
   enough to remove the mechanism, which I did. I oiled the motor, and manually   
   turned the coupling    
   until a full cycle was complete. It seemed to have been stuck in the play   
   position. I sprayed the contacts (only the few that I saw....I'm sure I missed   
   some) with contact cleaner. I replaced everything, and it started scanning! I   
   did the battery test,    
   and it picked up every #2 side, but none of the #1 sides.    
   > >>>>    
   > >>>> Sorry for rambling, but I just wanted to explain what I had done. So,   
   back to my original question...do I need to remove the mechanism again in   
   order to check for damaged connections or pins? Stupid question #2: is the   
   tarmat part of the whole    
   mechanism that comes out? Where, exactly, is it? Thanks for tolerating my   
   ignorance!    
   > >>> No, you shouldn't have to remove the mechanism to check the connections.    
   > >>> I'm thinking checking at the control center first.    
   > >>>    
   > >>> As for not playing one side, do check the manual and make sure you have    
   > >>> set up the Tormat Readout contacts correctly. And the the Tormat is    
   > >>> aligned correctly, and that the Reversing Switch on the mechanism is    
   > >>> operating correctly - that the circuit to the readout switches - if    
   > >>> present - is exchanged correctly.    
   > >>>    
   > >>> I hope you have the manual! It should go into detail on troubleshooting    
   > >>> and adjustments.    
   > >>> John :-#)#   
   > >> Thank you, John. I have the manual, and have printed out several   
   adjustment pages. Hopefully, I'll be able to make some progress!    
   > >    
   > >    
   > > Well, I was able to play all records on side B with keypad selection. I   
   sprayed the contact strip on the tarmac with contact cleaner. I still cannot   
   make a side B selection. The juke box just scans and scans, and then stops. If   
   I trip the return    
   lever in the back, it will pick up a random record and play side A with no   
   trouble. It still will not allow me to play side A through the keypad. I'm   
   thinking that maybe I need to remove the mechanism again, and make sure that   
   the reverse lever is moving    
   freely. Still not sure where to check for damaged pins....   
   > Your machine is NOT an STD4 and sounds like one of the early fifties    
      
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