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   TD to nospam@nospam.co.uk   
   Re: Cleaning LP's   
   21 May 05 00:56:14   
   
   From: nospam@nospam.co.uk   
      
   OK...   
      
   As a chemist, I can assure you that lighter fluid will not react with the   
   vinyl...  Lighter fluid is a mixture mainly of alkanes.  Alkanes are also   
   known as paraffins, from the latin 'parum affinis', meaning 'seldom   
   connected', from their quality of being unreactive.  Chemically, they are   
   regarded as virtually inert: that might sound odd when you think about how   
   well they burn, but I can assure you that it's the case. Lighter fluid does   
   not dissolve or otherwise react with vinyl.   
      
   The Notting Hill Music & Video exchange is probably the best record shop in   
   the UK: upstairs you can find butcher covers, 3d satanic majesties, blue   
   prism dark side of the moons, numbered white albums and a load of other   
   stuff you have heard of but never actually seen.  They use lighter fluid...   
      
   Leaching out plasticisers: I know a lot of people think this is a problem   
   with cleaning vinyl, and I suppose it might be if you soaked a record in   
   solvent for a few years.  If you do a mass spectroscopic analysis of just   
   about any liquid - including alcohol or water -  that has been stored in a   
   plastic container, you will see a phthalate peak, from the plasticiser, at   
   m/e 149.  I spent 5 years in the mass spec business, and, believe me, I have   
   seen leached out plasticisers.   Anyway, just about any solvent might,   
   potentially, leach out your plasticisers, but it is really not going to be a   
   problem during the couple of minutes that your record is in contact with   
   your cleaner.  If you don't believe me, take a look at a HDPE bottle that's   
   been used to store something alcohol based - like mouthwash, for example -   
   for a few months: has it become brittle because the plasticers have been   
   leached out?  No?  I thought not.   
      
   I'm not sure what you think the mysterious chemicals lurking in auto-wash   
   ready to damage your records might be: vinyl is pretty unreactive stuff - it   
   doesn't oxidise in air, or rust, or do any of the sort of things that   
   reactive chemicals do - so the main problem would be anything that would   
   dissolve the vinyl, which would cerrtainly damage it.    I've never tried   
   cleaning a record with methylene chloride or ethyl acetate, for example,   
   because they might well dissolve the vinyl.  But does auto screen wash   
   dissolve vinyl?  No.   
      
   WD-40, I will admit, is something of a last resort, for records which I have   
   tried other methods on but still sound much worse than visible marks would   
   suggest.  As I said in my original email, you have to make sure you get it   
   all off: I clean with an alcohol-water mix (actually windscreen wash   
   decolorised with activated charcoal), which emulsifies the WD-40.  I have   
   had a look at the stylus after playing a record cleaned in this way and   
   there is no visible 'gunk' on it.   
      
   Pure water - with or without detergent -  is not, in my experience, a   
   particularly good way of cleaning records, although aqueous acetic acid   
   sounds like it is worth a try...   
      
   I have tried proprietary 'REAL' record cleaners, and have generally been   
   un-impressed.  They are generally over-priced IPA-water mixes.   
      
   Hope this is helpful.   
      
      
      
      
      
      
   "TD"  wrote in message   
   news:d6au4s$b8p$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...   
   > The music & record exchange in notting hill use lighter fluid and wipe it   
   > off with a soft cloth.   
   > Personally, I use auto windscreen wash, which is   
   > alcohol-water-color-detergent, which seems to work ok: in fact I paid six   
   > quid for some specialist stuff at a record fair which I am pretty sure was   
   > just repackaged windscreen wash.   
   > I have tried WD-40... actually, I was quite impressed by the results, but   
   > you need to make sure you've got it all off...   
   >   
   >   
   > "JG"  wrote in message   
   > news:aF5ie.13994$Ph4.503289@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...   
   > > I have some LP records that are dusty & have some scratches on them.   
   > Since   
   > > nobody sells cleaning solution anyome(lol) - is there a way of cleaning   
   > > them?  Is there a way to cover up some of the scratches so it won't skip   
   > > when played?   
   > >   
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