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   Sue H to lord.vader.iii@gmail.com   
   Re: Jumpcon or Chumpcon   
   10 Jul 08 16:07:15   
   
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   From: dahoov2@cox.net   
      
   That was me. I just don't see how one could afford to start a whole   
   set of conventions (that many) with THAT many actors and have it work.   
   You can't jump into stuff like that unless you have a LOT of capital   
   and it seems to me that the capital needed for something this large   
   would be several HUNDRED THOUSAND?  I say that because of the halls to   
   be booked/reserved; actors appearance fees, advertising, rentals,   
   sinage, worker fees... I don't see ANYTHING like pages where people   
   can volunteer to work, or heard anything about people helping the   
   guests, hotel bookings or anything.  Hell, I don't even see anyone   
   renting tables... so what are they doing?   Even if they only need say   
   50k for each convention but they have at least 10 that need prepay,   
   that's a half million bucks.  I am not sure how much it costs to run a   
   convention but I'd think 20 actors at minimum need hotel/per   
   diem/transportation and appearance fees... even if that totals only 2   
   grand a person, that's 40k right there?  Plus renting hall, paying   
   some people, advertising and such?  No way they can probably escape a   
   larger one for under 50k?  Even Creation didn't start out of the gate   
   with a bang like that.   
      
   Certainly, they aren't advertising or even reading their boards. Hell,   
   I offered free advertising and offered to call local stations to get   
   publicity.  As well as putting it on other boards etc and my site.   
   They could be emailing larger fan sites with banners and they're not.   
      
   Say you have 10 cons going (and they've a LOT more than that) and you   
   have to deal daily with issues like actors, travel, transportation,   
   volunteers, paid workers, and various other issues that arise (setting   
   up the places, rental tables, chairs, organizing events etc) if you   
   think you are going to handle ONE con at a time, you got another thing   
   coming because even 2 years down the road if you've advertised   
   something, people will be emailing and calling always... everyone has   
   a problem and thinks that theirs is the most important even if it   
   isn't.  So you'd be delusional to do more than two or three cons at a   
   time.  Or more than a year ahead in three major cities.   
      
   To run this thing, they'd probably need a good 20 people at least plus   
   volunteers at the events along with many thousands per show? The 20   
   would need to be paid probably.  They'd need a publicity person, an   
   accountant, a planner (organizing events/booking), several people to   
   set up, clean, security, someone to run the website/be on top of their   
   boards etc, someone to be the project manager, and probably a couple   
   gophers etc and someone to supervise workers.  They will have to   
   prepay hotels, transportation, rentals, advertising and the hall.  WHO   
   are these people?  Nobody seems to know who they are and where they   
   came from?  I thought this is either people (small group of 5 or 6 or   
   less) thinking they can handle it or a scam from the beginning to see   
   how far they can take it.  But it was a gut feeling based on the lack   
   of responses from them and the lack of publicity or anyone knowing   
   about them.   
      
   I felt it in my bones whoever it is got over zealous and overbooked   
   too many events and too many people.  It was probably someone who   
   worked for say Creation or someone else who thought "gee, I can do   
   this" with little experience.  Anyone with any brains realizes   
   business only gets good by growing slowing and establishing yourself   
   first.   
      
   If anyone has info, please share it.   
      
   On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:14:44 -0700 (PDT), Lord Vader III   
    wrote:   
      
   >I think someone asked about the Jumpcon shows a while ago:   
   >   
   >http://www.robertpicardo.com/   
   >   
   >LVIII   
      
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