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   From: dahoov2@cox.net   
      
   I have been to a socialist hospital system and I've lived with   
   military care which is a socialist system and I've had "civilian" care   
   such that it is now.  Sure, Obama's plan SOUNDS good but here's what   
   you need to know now that NOBODY will tell you.   
      
   1) You do NOT want the government in your health care.  You'll die in   
   the waiting room before being seen.  It'll be overburdened.  Free   
   means people will abuse it.  When have we never abused anything with   
   the word free in it?  We do; that's the capitalist pig in all of us.   
   2) Your quality of care will go down as doctors and other things will   
   be cut out to save money (VA system anyone?).  Doctor's will have   
   salary caps and you will be seen by people who could care less and   
   herd you in and out like cattle. He says you will still be able to   
   choose your doctor, but no way are you flying across the country to   
   see the specialist of your choice!  He decieves on some of the things   
   he says by not expounding on it.   
   3) Paperwork will bog you down as will transferring of phone calls   
   into a bureaucratic nightmare.  Have you EVER seen anything in the   
   government that wasn't riddled with errors too?   
   4) you WILL be paying for it.  He doesn't promise he'll raise taxes,   
   but in the end he'll have no choice.  This will be the single most   
   expensive perk in government history.  Because we are a fat nation, I   
   expect it'll be as costly as social security.  Do we need more debt we   
   can't repay?   
   5) we almost all have health care now.  For example, at that rally I   
   went to, 95% black in the poor section of town (under 20k).  MOST of   
   them had free health care already. For sure, at least half were women   
   there and there were a lot of unwed moms.  All of those get automatic   
   care (moms and the kids).  It's called the welfare system.  So when   
   Barrack talked about that, it was less than enthusiastic response   
   because they had free already.  There is only a small portion of   
   people NOT covered today.  It's usually young men in they're 20's.   
   And they usually aren't sick. However, if they got into an accident,   
   they would still go into a hospital and NOT be refused.  So what does   
   Barrack mean by health care for everyone?  Why is nobody calling him   
   out on this I don't know.   
      
   The Education system... don't get me started. We will pay for that   
   too.  All those kids with no life trying to find themselves going to   
   Jr. College free and then failing... or quitting.  When instead, they   
   should be working and saving for college.  Doing that means money into   
   our ecomomy and them learning how to be a true American and not   
   getting a handout but trying hard for what they want. There goes that   
   tuition down the drain and how will be paid for? Not to mention NOBODY   
   will excel or work hard for what they want.  By the way, we have free   
   education.  Those who are rich today can afford to pay for it.  Those   
   who are poor go free now.  It's called Welfare programs (my sister did   
   and they paid her babysitter too), pell grants, state grants and   
   scholarships!  Those not covered (the lower middle class is what   
   struggles... those making 50-80k) can still get scholarships and if   
   you want college bad enough, you can work part time and apply for   
   those scholarships.  Who benefits from Barracks plan then?  The lazy.   
      
   Other than medical and education, Barrack's only plan for the economy   
   is the "Tax break" to 95% of Americans.  Do you REALLY know what this   
   is?  It's actually another Stimulus check (he's BUYING VOTES OF POOR   
   PEOPLE HERE).  He keeps saying tax cut, but it's a check.  Most people   
   are voting for Barrack in that rally I went to because of this (and   
   that he's black).  Sure, why not, we can all use 2500 or 5k per   
   family.  I want it too.  But in reality, I know I'll suffer for it   
   later.  I'd rather not have it then.  Tell me, did the last round of   
   stimulus checks work that well?  Last I looked, we went out, spent it   
   and a month later the financial system started collapsing like a row   
   of dominos.   
      
   Sorry, Barrack will be more expensive tham McCain.  McCain is   
   expensive too.  They are both idiots.  McCain's slightly less than   
   Barrack. However, make no mistake; McCain is wishy washy and in   
   desperation sees the voters liking the socialist tendencies more so   
   now he's throwing crap out there like we can afford it.  What a moron.   
      
   Please do NOT fall for the soundbites you hear over and over. Dismiss   
   all "change" as both candidates want that.  Dismiss "no new taxes"   
   because both candidates want that.  You really have to think about the   
   issues before voting.  Don't go with the flow.  Make and informed   
   decision no matter who you vote for.  Don't vote for a candidate   
   because he's black or not vote for him because he's black.  Don't vote   
   for McCain because he's got a woman running just because she's a   
   woman.  Think about what really underlies what they said.  It's always   
   nice things they say but what are they NOT telling you!  There's   
   always and I repeat ALWAYS more to the stuff they say (there's a   
   counterbalance of negative for each positive).   
      
   So when I choose, now I am probably on the fence this morning but may   
   lean McCain by a percent or two, I will consider it all.  My decision   
   today is based on the people surrounding each candidate. I consider   
   who they are most likely to put in their cabinet or appoint as judges.   
   I know who McCain has around him but other than economics of Clinton   
   Administration, I have NO IDEA who Barrack will appoint and this is   
   soooooooo scary!!!!!  You should be very afraid here....  I lean   
   McCain because of this.  Also, if you throw out our troops in Iraq,   
   that's a HUGE mistake I think.  This region is too unstable.  We are a   
   stabilizing factor there.  Take out one jenga peg and it starts to   
   fall... If that happens, the world is in trouble as the problems in   
   the mideast are too huge.   
      
   Anyway, done. I had to post.  I know NoAce is out there, waiting in   
   the wings to tell me I am boring, I think I know everything or   
   whatever.  I wanted to make his day.  Plus, you're back too... and   
   Barefoot.... I needed some fun.   
      
   On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:13:05 -0700 (PDT), Sam Jaber   
    wrote:   
      
   >Who is everyone voting for Barack Obama or John McCain.  I'm going   
   >with Barack.   think if he gets in the economy will get a whole lot   
   >better.   
      
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