From: lorriems24@yahoo.com   
      
   All you have to do is watch the documentary called Sicko in order to realize   
   that everything typed below is WRONG.  It takes the viewer inside the actual   
   health care systems of France, Britain and Canada to dispel all of the   
   disinformation.  You'll die in an American emergency room or waiting room   
   RIGHT NOW under our current system, before being seen.  Emergency room waits   
   in Britain, France and Canada are NEVER more than 45 min.   
   VA Hospitals are staffed by reject doctors who couldn't make it in a real   
   hospital.  Socialized medicine means that the same doctors treating you now   
   will be treating you in the future under the new system.  The VA reject   
   doctors will still be at the VA.   
      
   "Sue H"  wrote in message   
   news:0lc1f4d196tdl9itro2kdusj81u9uvosoq@4ax.com...   
   > I have been to a socialist hospital system and I've lived with   
   > military care which is a socialist system and I've had "civilian" care   
   > such that it is now.  Sure, Obama's plan SOUNDS good but here's what   
   > you need to know now that NOBODY will tell you.   
   >   
   > 1) You do NOT want the government in your health care.  You'll die in   
   > the waiting room before being seen.  It'll be overburdened.  Free   
   > means people will abuse it.  When have we never abused anything with   
   > the word free in it?  We do; that's the capitalist pig in all of us.   
   > 2) Your quality of care will go down as doctors and other things will   
   > be cut out to save money (VA system anyone?).  Doctor's will have   
   > salary caps and you will be seen by people who could care less and   
   > herd you in and out like cattle. He says you will still be able to   
   > choose your doctor, but no way are you flying across the country to   
   > see the specialist of your choice!  He decieves on some of the things   
   > he says by not expounding on it.   
   > 3) Paperwork will bog you down as will transferring of phone calls   
   > into a bureaucratic nightmare.  Have you EVER seen anything in the   
   > government that wasn't riddled with errors too?   
   > 4) you WILL be paying for it.  He doesn't promise he'll raise taxes,   
   > but in the end he'll have no choice.  This will be the single most   
   > expensive perk in government history.  Because we are a fat nation, I   
   > expect it'll be as costly as social security.  Do we need more debt we   
   > can't repay?   
   > 5) we almost all have health care now.  For example, at that rally I   
   > went to, 95% black in the poor section of town (under 20k).  MOST of   
   > them had free health care already. For sure, at least half were women   
   > there and there were a lot of unwed moms.  All of those get automatic   
   > care (moms and the kids).  It's called the welfare system.  So when   
   > Barrack talked about that, it was less than enthusiastic response   
   > because they had free already.  There is only a small portion of   
   > people NOT covered today.  It's usually young men in they're 20's.   
   > And they usually aren't sick. However, if they got into an accident,   
   > they would still go into a hospital and NOT be refused.  So what does   
   > Barrack mean by health care for everyone?  Why is nobody calling him   
   > out on this I don't know.   
   >   
   > The Education system... don't get me started. We will pay for that   
   > too.  All those kids with no life trying to find themselves going to   
   > Jr. College free and then failing... or quitting.  When instead, they   
   > should be working and saving for college.  Doing that means money into   
   > our ecomomy and them learning how to be a true American and not   
   > getting a handout but trying hard for what they want. There goes that   
   > tuition down the drain and how will be paid for? Not to mention NOBODY   
   > will excel or work hard for what they want.  By the way, we have free   
   > education.  Those who are rich today can afford to pay for it.  Those   
   > who are poor go free now.  It's called Welfare programs (my sister did   
   > and they paid her babysitter too), pell grants, state grants and   
   > scholarships!  Those not covered (the lower middle class is what   
   > struggles... those making 50-80k) can still get scholarships and if   
   > you want college bad enough, you can work part time and apply for   
   > those scholarships.  Who benefits from Barracks plan then?  The lazy.   
   >   
   > Other than medical and education, Barrack's only plan for the economy   
   > is the "Tax break" to 95% of Americans.  Do you REALLY know what this   
   > is?  It's actually another Stimulus check (he's BUYING VOTES OF POOR   
   > PEOPLE HERE).  He keeps saying tax cut, but it's a check.  Most people   
   > are voting for Barrack in that rally I went to because of this (and   
   > that he's black).  Sure, why not, we can all use 2500 or 5k per   
   > family.  I want it too.  But in reality, I know I'll suffer for it   
   > later.  I'd rather not have it then.  Tell me, did the last round of   
   > stimulus checks work that well?  Last I looked, we went out, spent it   
   > and a month later the financial system started collapsing like a row   
   > of dominos.   
   >   
   > Sorry, Barrack will be more expensive tham McCain.  McCain is   
   > expensive too.  They are both idiots.  McCain's slightly less than   
   > Barrack. However, make no mistake; McCain is wishy washy and in   
   > desperation sees the voters liking the socialist tendencies more so   
   > now he's throwing crap out there like we can afford it.  What a moron.   
   >   
   > Please do NOT fall for the soundbites you hear over and over. Dismiss   
   > all "change" as both candidates want that.  Dismiss "no new taxes"   
   > because both candidates want that.  You really have to think about the   
   > issues before voting.  Don't go with the flow.  Make and informed   
   > decision no matter who you vote for.  Don't vote for a candidate   
   > because he's black or not vote for him because he's black.  Don't vote   
   > for McCain because he's got a woman running just because she's a   
   > woman.  Think about what really underlies what they said.  It's always   
   > nice things they say but what are they NOT telling you!  There's   
   > always and I repeat ALWAYS more to the stuff they say (there's a   
   > counterbalance of negative for each positive).   
   >   
   > So when I choose, now I am probably on the fence this morning but may   
   > lean McCain by a percent or two, I will consider it all.  My decision   
   > today is based on the people surrounding each candidate. I consider   
   > who they are most likely to put in their cabinet or appoint as judges.   
   > I know who McCain has around him but other than economics of Clinton   
   > Administration, I have NO IDEA who Barrack will appoint and this is   
   > soooooooo scary!!!!!  You should be very afraid here....  I lean   
   > McCain because of this.  Also, if you throw out our troops in Iraq,   
      
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