From: dahoov2@cox.net   
      
   Cetainly you are no fans for the shameful behavior I see going on   
   today.  So much stuff it's put dark marks on the hobby and you've   
   really tainted the love I had for these films...   
      
   Anyway, right now it one of the several subjects which has me really   
   hot right now.  Ruining innocent people's names for the sake of "pure   
   autographs".   
      
   I understand the need for not spending money on frauds and forgeries.   
   I do.  Probably more than anyone else.  BUT I do not condone what i am   
   hearing about on the boards/forums.  There are people starting rumors   
   and acting like they are fact.  Today's target (it reminds me of high   
   school bullying) is Lightning Bear.  First Hal Wamsley and a few   
   others cames to light but now a man in the business for many years.   
   Now I am not defending him.  I do not know if perhaps he did lie and   
   say he was something he was not.  But it is YOU fans who need to do a   
   few things before ruining what could be an innocent man's reputation   
   before you start all the rumor-mongering.  Perhaps it might be wise to   
   speak with the man and ask proof?  I'll be doing that myself today.  I   
   already did some things for you, but before you go off and ruin the   
   hobby furter, GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.  I've started the process by   
   emailing Steve Sansweet and I'll be forwarding to Howard Roffman   
   (maybe; we'll see), Mary Franklin and the legal department (sorry,   
   don't know anyone there so I'll just be doing that a little later).  I   
   hope in the meantime, before you do any more damage, you question   
   Lucasfilm about it's actors before damaging people's lives..   
      
   It's at this point, I see that for Lightning Bear to lie would be   
   foolish.  It is quite possible for a faulty memory (I've seen that   
   DOZENS of times).  Facts people, facts.  You are also putting all the   
   people at Lucasfilm who are responsible for the "official"   
   Celebrations at risk of losing their jobs.  Don't you see, that if   
   Lucasfilm allows people who were not in the film to profit off the   
   Lucasfilm name it does Lucasfilm damage?.  Not only in reputation but   
   in a potential class action lawsuit where they'll have to reimburse   
   for all those "rumored" actos who are lying.  Sci-fi uncredited will   
   go down in flames.  Most of their actos are 'sketchy' at best with no   
   proof.  Hal Wamsley anyone? Let's sue him too.  Let's make it so   
   nobody will do an interview, sign at all, or even talk to the fans,   
   lest they exaggerate or perhaps say the wrong lines, or get their   
   character wrong or something else that may be worthy of getting sued   
   over.  Oooh, or remember the one actos who tole me about about Barry   
   Holland being a potential fraud?  He supposedly is exaggerating a few   
   things.  Or the actors who sign Gerald Home's photos all the time but   
   they were other Calamari.  That's right...  we're getting into who   
   said what on film territory now.  Now all the actors are in risk of   
   fraud for writing down wrong lines.... and signing wrong photos...   
   If you are so damned worried about these actors signing whatever in   
   whatever pen in whatever light/dark spot and rushing their signatures,   
   putting the wrong lines, signing the wrong photos....LEAVE THE HOBBY!   
   Get a real damned life.   
      
   Let's not forget the innocent man who's been in the business for a   
   long time. A man who worked with many great directors and actors etc,   
   before you outed him as a liar, potentially ruining his one claim to   
   fame and potentially only source of income.  Before you did that,   
   shouldn't you give him the common courtesy of responding before the   
   rumors hit the fan?  ASK HIM for God's sake.   Gee f&^*^* whizz.   
      
   Irritated, shamed of this hobby, pissed off actually and depressed is   
   just a little of what I feel.  People suck.  The whole lot of you.   
   And I get a call from someone telling me this who now is pissed at me   
   because I stuck up for the man for just now. He is a little mad at my   
   jaded opinion, but he did what they are all doing.  He said I think   
   they're right.  Without even finding evidence, he came to me and said   
   "I think he did lie about being in the film because nobody remembers   
   him".  Yeah, nobody being Dicky?  Give me a damned break.  The movie   
   was over 31 years ago!!! But last I looked, it was a country that you   
   were innocent till proven guilty.   
      
   PS class action lawsuit against Lucasfilm?  I call for it.  Reason one   
   is If I am to ever get another Star Wars graph again, I want to be   
   sure of what I am getting.  Also, if he is a fraud, I want my money   
   back for every actor who I paid to sign something that signed on the   
   wrong photo, put the wrong lines from the film, misrepresented   
   themselves as being in the film and I have lost faith in George Lucas   
   who sues people but when it comes to helping us autograph fans, he   
   does NOTHING.  I am dissalusioned because Lucasfilm promotes these   
   events on Starwars.com, that several people like Steve, Mary and   
   others are responsible for the guests in the end (yeah shit rolls   
   uphill) and allowed them to remain.... and ripping me off.  George   
   attended the Celebration and I listened to him in person touting more   
   projects in which actors will be springing up for other TV shows and   
   whatnot.  At an autograph convention, meaning to me, he's sanctifying   
   the whole thing, so don't forget to include George in the suit by name   
   please.  There are thousands upon thousands of graphs out there   
   probably wrong and I want ALL my money back, including all the ones I   
   bought for my friends.... and on all those action figures we had   
   signed, posters that were ruined or Official Pix or EXPENSIVE items, I   
   want refunds for those too.  Because now those items are ruined.   
      
   Oh, by the way for the people on this board.  The fan proof?  In one   
   scene, Bear is supposedly shorter than Harrison Ford.  (I guess they   
   never heard of camera angles which make the main star be the more   
   dominant one) and the other proof is that one of the stuntment   
   "doesn't remember him".  some proof.  31 years ago he can remember   
   thousands who were in the film; science should examine his brain for a   
   cure for Alzheimers.   
      
      
      
   All you Star Wars actors beware.  If you do not have proof, you are   
   next on the list (which is growing as we speak).   
      
   Enough said,  I needed a long rant.  This is just one of the things   
   these MORON "collectors" do.  Analyzing pens, shapes of the letters to   
   determine which is more valuable my ass!  You're all ridiculous.  I   
   won't even get into the older collectors taking advantage of these   
   stupid newbies.   Just shame on you all.   
      
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