From: dahoov2@cox.net   
      
   And this is a lesson to everyone who spreads rumors.  You can hurt   
   people's lives.  I   
      
   On Mon, 12 May 2008 10:29:08 -0400, Sue H  wrote:   
      
   >Cetainly you are no fans for the shameful behavior I see going on   
   >today.  So much stuff it's put dark marks on the hobby and you've   
   >really tainted the love I had for these films...   
   >   
   >Anyway, right now it one of the several subjects which has me really   
   >hot right now.  Ruining innocent people's names for the sake of "pure   
   >autographs".   
   >   
   >I understand the need for not spending money on frauds and forgeries.   
   >I do.  Probably more than anyone else.  BUT I do not condone what i am   
   >hearing about on the boards/forums.  There are people starting rumors   
   >and acting like they are fact.  Today's target (it reminds me of high   
   >school bullying) is Lightning Bear.  First Hal Wamsley and a few   
   >others cames to light but now a man in the business for many years.   
   >Now I am not defending him.  I do not know if perhaps he did lie and   
   >say he was something he was not.  But it is YOU fans who need to do a   
   >few things before ruining what could be an innocent man's reputation   
   >before you start all the rumor-mongering.  Perhaps it might be wise to   
   >speak with the man and ask proof?  I'll be doing that myself today.  I   
   >already did some things for you, but before you go off and ruin the   
   >hobby furter, GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.  I've started the process by   
   >emailing Steve Sansweet and I'll be forwarding to Howard Roffman   
   >(maybe; we'll see), Mary Franklin and the legal department (sorry,   
   >don't know anyone there so I'll just be doing that a little later).  I   
   >hope in the meantime, before you do any more damage, you question   
   >Lucasfilm about it's actors before damaging people's lives..   
   >   
   >It's at this point, I see that for Lightning Bear to lie would be   
   >foolish.  It is quite possible for a faulty memory (I've seen that   
   >DOZENS of times).  Facts people, facts.  You are also putting all the   
   >people at Lucasfilm who are responsible for the "official"   
   >Celebrations at risk of losing their jobs.  Don't you see, that if   
   >Lucasfilm allows people who were not in the film to profit off the   
   >Lucasfilm name it does Lucasfilm damage?.  Not only in reputation but   
   >in a potential class action lawsuit where they'll have to reimburse   
   >for all those "rumored" actos who are lying.  Sci-fi uncredited will   
   >go down in flames.  Most of their actos are 'sketchy' at best with no   
   >proof.  Hal Wamsley anyone? Let's sue him too.  Let's make it so   
   >nobody will do an interview, sign at all, or even talk to the fans,   
   >lest they exaggerate or perhaps say the wrong lines, or get their   
   >character wrong or something else that may be worthy of getting sued   
   >over.  Oooh, or remember the one actos who tole me about about Barry   
   >Holland being a potential fraud?  He supposedly is exaggerating a few   
   >things.  Or the actors who sign Gerald Home's photos all the time but   
   >they were other Calamari.  That's right...  we're getting into who   
   >said what on film territory now.  Now all the actors are in risk of   
   >fraud for writing down wrong lines.... and signing wrong photos...   
   >If you are so damned worried about these actors signing whatever in   
   >whatever pen in whatever light/dark spot and rushing their signatures,   
   >putting the wrong lines, signing the wrong photos....LEAVE THE HOBBY!   
   >Get a real damned life.   
   >   
   >Let's not forget the innocent man who's been in the business for a   
   >long time. A man who worked with many great directors and actors etc,   
   >before you outed him as a liar, potentially ruining his one claim to   
   >fame and potentially only source of income.  Before you did that,   
   >shouldn't you give him the common courtesy of responding before the   
   >rumors hit the fan?  ASK HIM for God's sake.   Gee f&^*^* whizz.   
   >   
   >Irritated, shamed of this hobby, pissed off actually and depressed is   
   >just a little of what I feel.  People suck.  The whole lot of you.   
   >And I get a call from someone telling me this who now is pissed at me   
   >because I stuck up for the man for just now. He is a little mad at my   
   >jaded opinion, but he did what they are all doing.  He said I think   
   >they're right.  Without even finding evidence, he came to me and said   
   >"I think he did lie about being in the film because nobody remembers   
   >him".  Yeah, nobody being Dicky?  Give me a damned break.  The movie   
   >was over 31 years ago!!! But last I looked, it was a country that you   
   >were innocent till proven guilty.   
   >   
   >PS class action lawsuit against Lucasfilm?  I call for it.  Reason one   
   >is If I am to ever get another Star Wars graph again, I want to be   
   >sure of what I am getting.  Also, if he is a fraud, I want my money   
   >back for every actor who I paid to sign something that signed on the   
   >wrong photo, put the wrong lines from the film, misrepresented   
   >themselves as being in the film and I have lost faith in George Lucas   
   >who sues people but when it comes to helping us autograph fans, he   
   >does NOTHING.  I am dissalusioned because Lucasfilm promotes these   
   >events on Starwars.com, that several people like Steve, Mary and   
   >others are responsible for the guests in the end (yeah shit rolls   
   >uphill) and allowed them to remain.... and ripping me off.  George   
   >attended the Celebration and I listened to him in person touting more   
   >projects in which actors will be springing up for other TV shows and   
   >whatnot.  At an autograph convention, meaning to me, he's sanctifying   
   >the whole thing, so don't forget to include George in the suit by name   
   >please.  There are thousands upon thousands of graphs out there   
   >probably wrong and I want ALL my money back, including all the ones I   
   >bought for my friends.... and on all those action figures we had   
   >signed, posters that were ruined or Official Pix or EXPENSIVE items, I   
   >want refunds for those too.  Because now those items are ruined.   
   >   
   >Oh, by the way for the people on this board.  The fan proof?  In one   
   >scene, Bear is supposedly shorter than Harrison Ford.  (I guess they   
   >never heard of camera angles which make the main star be the more   
   >dominant one) and the other proof is that one of the stuntment   
   >"doesn't remember him".  some proof.  31 years ago he can remember   
   >thousands who were in the film; science should examine his brain for a   
   >cure for Alzheimers.   
   >   
   >   
   >   
   >All you Star Wars actors beware.  If you do not have proof, you are   
   >next on the list (which is growing as we speak).   
   >   
   >Enough said,  I needed a long rant.  This is just one of the things   
   >these MORON "collectors" do.  Analyzing pens, shapes of the letters to   
   >determine which is more valuable my ass!  You're all ridiculous.  I   
   >won't even get into the older collectors taking advantage of these   
   >stupid newbies.   Just shame on you all.   
   >   
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