From: alig@booyakasha.com   
      
   "Sue H"  wrote in message   
   news:cmig24psou7j0arqi094sdlqv5046fj0ct@4ax.com...   
   > Cetainly you are no fans for the shameful behavior I see going on   
   > today.  So much stuff it's put dark marks on the hobby and you've   
   > really tainted the love I had for these films...   
   >   
   > Anyway, right now it one of the several subjects which has me really   
   > hot right now.  Ruining innocent people's names for the sake of "pure   
   > autographs".   
   >   
   > I understand the need for not spending money on frauds and forgeries.   
   > I do.  Probably more than anyone else.  BUT I do not condone what i am   
   > hearing about on the boards/forums.  There are people starting rumors   
   > and acting like they are fact.  Today's target (it reminds me of high   
   > school bullying) is Lightning Bear.  First Hal Wamsley and a few   
   > others cames to light but now a man in the business for many years.   
   > Now I am not defending him.  I do not know if perhaps he did lie and   
   > say he was something he was not.  But it is YOU fans who need to do a   
   > few things before ruining what could be an innocent man's reputation   
   > before you start all the rumor-mongering.  Perhaps it might be wise to   
   > speak with the man and ask proof?  I'll be doing that myself today.  I   
   > already did some things for you, but before you go off and ruin the   
   > hobby furter, GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.  I've started the process by   
   > emailing Steve Sansweet and I'll be forwarding to Howard Roffman   
   > (maybe; we'll see), Mary Franklin and the legal department (sorry,   
   > don't know anyone there so I'll just be doing that a little later).  I   
   > hope in the meantime, before you do any more damage, you question   
   > Lucasfilm about it's actors before damaging people's lives..   
   >   
   > It's at this point, I see that for Lightning Bear to lie would be   
   > foolish.  It is quite possible for a faulty memory (I've seen that   
   > DOZENS of times).  Facts people, facts.  You are also putting all the   
   > people at Lucasfilm who are responsible for the "official"   
   > Celebrations at risk of losing their jobs.  Don't you see, that if   
   > Lucasfilm allows people who were not in the film to profit off the   
   > Lucasfilm name it does Lucasfilm damage?.  Not only in reputation but   
   > in a potential class action lawsuit where they'll have to reimburse   
   > for all those "rumored" actos who are lying.  Sci-fi uncredited will   
   > go down in flames.  Most of their actos are 'sketchy' at best with no   
   > proof.  Hal Wamsley anyone? Let's sue him too.  Let's make it so   
   > nobody will do an interview, sign at all, or even talk to the fans,   
   > lest they exaggerate or perhaps say the wrong lines, or get their   
   > character wrong or something else that may be worthy of getting sued   
   > over.  Oooh, or remember the one actos who tole me about about Barry   
   > Holland being a potential fraud?  He supposedly is exaggerating a few   
   > things.  Or the actors who sign Gerald Home's photos all the time but   
   > they were other Calamari.  That's right...  we're getting into who   
   > said what on film territory now.  Now all the actors are in risk of   
   > fraud for writing down wrong lines.... and signing wrong photos...   
   > If you are so damned worried about these actors signing whatever in   
   > whatever pen in whatever light/dark spot and rushing their signatures,   
   > putting the wrong lines, signing the wrong photos....LEAVE THE HOBBY!   
   > Get a real damned life.   
   >   
   > Let's not forget the innocent man who's been in the business for a   
   > long time. A man who worked with many great directors and actors etc,   
   > before you outed him as a liar, potentially ruining his one claim to   
   > fame and potentially only source of income.  Before you did that,   
   > shouldn't you give him the common courtesy of responding before the   
   > rumors hit the fan?  ASK HIM for God's sake.   Gee f&^*^* whizz.   
   >   
   > Irritated, shamed of this hobby, pissed off actually and depressed is   
   > just a little of what I feel.  People suck.  The whole lot of you.   
   > And I get a call from someone telling me this who now is pissed at me   
   > because I stuck up for the man for just now. He is a little mad at my   
   > jaded opinion, but he did what they are all doing.  He said I think   
   > they're right.  Without even finding evidence, he came to me and said   
   > "I think he did lie about being in the film because nobody remembers   
   > him".  Yeah, nobody being Dicky?  Give me a damned break.  The movie   
   > was over 31 years ago!!! But last I looked, it was a country that you   
   > were innocent till proven guilty.   
   >   
   > PS class action lawsuit against Lucasfilm?  I call for it.  Reason one   
   > is If I am to ever get another Star Wars graph again, I want to be   
   > sure of what I am getting.  Also, if he is a fraud, I want my money   
   > back for every actor who I paid to sign something that signed on the   
   > wrong photo, put the wrong lines from the film, misrepresented   
   > themselves as being in the film and I have lost faith in George Lucas   
   > who sues people but when it comes to helping us autograph fans, he   
   > does NOTHING.  I am dissalusioned because Lucasfilm promotes these   
   > events on Starwars.com, that several people like Steve, Mary and   
   > others are responsible for the guests in the end (yeah shit rolls   
   > uphill) and allowed them to remain.... and ripping me off.  George   
   > attended the Celebration and I listened to him in person touting more   
   > projects in which actors will be springing up for other TV shows and   
   > whatnot.  At an autograph convention, meaning to me, he's sanctifying   
   > the whole thing, so don't forget to include George in the suit by name   
   > please.  There are thousands upon thousands of graphs out there   
   > probably wrong and I want ALL my money back, including all the ones I   
   > bought for my friends.... and on all those action figures we had   
   > signed, posters that were ruined or Official Pix or EXPENSIVE items, I   
   > want refunds for those too.  Because now those items are ruined.   
   >   
   > Oh, by the way for the people on this board.  The fan proof?  In one   
   > scene, Bear is supposedly shorter than Harrison Ford.  (I guess they   
   > never heard of camera angles which make the main star be the more   
   > dominant one) and the other proof is that one of the stuntment   
   > "doesn't remember him".  some proof.  31 years ago he can remember   
   > thousands who were in the film; science should examine his brain for a   
   > cure for Alzheimers.   
   >   
   >   
   >   
   > All you Star Wars actors beware.  If you do not have proof, you are   
   > next on the list (which is growing as we speak).   
   >   
   > Enough said,  I needed a long rant.  This is just one of the things   
   > these MORON "collectors" do.  Analyzing pens, shapes of the letters to   
   > determine which is more valuable my ass!  You're all ridiculous.  I   
   > won't even get into the older collectors taking advantage of these   
   > stupid newbies.   Just shame on you all.   
   >   
      
      
      
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