XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.windows7.general   
   From: T@invalid.invalid   
      
   On 2020-03-08 06:05, Mayayana wrote:   
   > "T"  wrote   
   > | On 2020-03-07 13:06, Mayayana wrote:   
   > | > Throughout they've been   
   > | > trying to come up with a system where people will agree to   
   > | > see ads and they now have their own ad network. So   
   > | > they're basically taking the view that the Internet is   
   > | > destined to be a commercial venue and it's their job to   
   > | > make that work.   
   > |   
   > | It will be "Opt In".  I would not worry about it.   
   >   
   >    Given their approach, I wouldn't trust them on privacy.   
   >   
   >     But that's not my point. The bigger problem is the   
   > fundamental idea that they should support the conversion   
   > of the Internet into a shopping mall. They're making   
   > assumptions that 1) the Internet is and should be a   
   > business venue, 2) the businesses won't survive without   
   > money from visitors, and 3) it's therefore their civic duty   
   > to set up ads and micropayments so the businesses can   
   > get paid.   
   >   
   >    That's a morally bankrupt attitude, like allowing   
   > a mall or Walmart to replace the town center. It's   
   > the jaded view of people who think of themselves   
   > as "consumers". And it's the height of irony that   
   > they should see their approach as a kind of civic duty.   
   > They're helping to demolish the public sphere because   
   > they don't actually see it in the first place.   
   >   
   >    With your approach you're acting like the teenagers   
   > in malls, trying to ignore or circumvent the sleaze for   
   > your own personal profit. Those teenagers would be better   
   > off if they just left and found a park or a home to hang   
   > out in. But they've already been indoctrinated into the   
   > mutual exploitation system of consumer society. They   
   > assume the world they live in is a business. The   
   > Internet is a more extreme example: They spy on you   
   > and try to vacuum out your wallet while you try to get   
   > freebies without opening your wallet. The commercial   
   > Internet has been founded on an assumption of mutual   
   > dishonesty.   
   >   
   >    Now the Bravists have come in to say, "Hey, we have   
   > a great idea. Instead of supporting public property and   
   > parks for the kids hanging around in malls, let's give them   
   > a way to contribute part of their allowance to the mall in   
   > exchange for sitting around on the benches."   
   >   
   >     That doesn't even rise to the   
   > level of an anemic inspiration. It's just completely missing   
   > the point. If they *really* wanted to help they could   
   > help people online to find resources and perhaps help   
   > them contribute, but only to non-profits. But they're   
   > not doing that. They're trying to help turn the Internet   
   > into a commercial venue. I don't want to support that.   
   >   
      
   Hi Mayayana,   
      
   There is truth in what you say.  What you are missing   
   is that ads are sometimes the only way web developers   
   get paid for their efforts.  And web developers are   
   always looking for ways to get paid for what they do.   
      
   Do you contribute monetarily to any web /open source   
   projects?  I do not.  I do contribute a lot in time   
   though to several projects.   
      
   Here is the thing.  The way freedom works: to meet   
   your own needs, you must meet the needs of your   
   customers.  Commercial enterprises serve to meet the   
   need of the public.  If not, they go under, unless they   
   circumvent the system and get the government to   
   subsidize them (socialism).   
      
   That all being said, I hate ads with a fiery passion.   
   When I hit a web site that complain about my   
   ad blocker, I just go elsewhere.   
      
   And yes, I pay for my TV asI have ads so much (Viki   
   and Netflix).   
      
   And web web sites that are serving a public need, do deserve   
   to get compensated for it as does any other business.   
   I just wish here was away to do such without ads.   
   And, yes, my ad blocker make me part of the problem too.   
      
   As long as Brave is Opt In for their Rewards program,   
   I am fine with it.   
      
   And it you look closely at the link you originally   
   posted   
      
        https://www.scss.tcd.ie/Doug.Leith/pubs/browser_privacy.pdf   
      
   Brave is behaving very well.  I presume your fear is   
   that it won't stay such.  And you would rather use   
   a different browser that does not behave rather than   
   risk one that may not behave in the future.   
      
   -T   
      
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