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   From: NIXCAPSsailfish@NIXCAPSunforgettable.com   
      
   nospam graced us with on 6/19/2021 6:03 AM:   
   > In article , Sailfish   
   >  wrote:   
   >   
   >> Riiiight. Certainly a man of his worth has NO influence on the company   
   >> that continues to pay him hefty dividends.   
   >   
   > he was on the board until just recently, but regardless, satya has the   
   > final say in what microsoft does.   
   >   
   True but that's like saying Pres(s) Trump and Biden have the final say   
   when we all know that each of them had their puppetmaster. In Trump's   
   case it was most likely his son-in-law's father's money and with Biden   
   it's clear that it's not him designing the policy.   
      
   >>>> Apple has become with their wall-garden approach.   
   >>> the only walls are the ones people put up on their own.   
   >>>   
   >> heh, the ol' wax-philosophical straw man counter ploy.   
   >   
   > no straw man.   
   >   
   > those who say apple is a walled garden are those who don't use it much,   
   > if at all.   
   >   
   > just about anything that can be done with a windows pc and certainly a   
   > linux box can also be done on a mac.   
   >   
   Interesting though that one can't legally run MacOS on either of those   
   non-Apple platforms, no? Also, to design iOS apps, one must use a Mac   
   for development.   
      
   > ios and android are different than macos and windows in both design and   
   > the hardware, but there aren't any walls there either. in fact, a lot   
   > of tasks are much easier on ios than on android.   
   >   
   > nothing is perfect in every situation.   
   >   
   If one cannot easily sideload apps, then the system is, by design,   
   behind a walled garden.   
      
   >>> also, mobile devices have a lot more personal data on them, making them   
   >>> a *much* higher value target.   
   >>>   
   >> Sure, though, not sure that was Jobs thought at the time.   
   >   
   > jobs was there throughout the design of the iphone and ipad.   
   >   
   Near the end, with cancer ravaging his body, it's questionable how   
   in-tuned he was with the details of their development. I honestly don't   
   know how knowledgeable he was with the full ramifications of the privacy   
   monetization aspects. I'd be interested in reading a credible article   
   about it is you have one.   
      
   >> Anyway, I'm not trying slime Apple for its founder's genius for   
   >> innovation. The iPhone was one of our generation's most revolutionary   
   >> inventions that even today is a major societal leveling tool and a curse   
   >> to privacy and child protection.   
   >>   
   >> My point is that all multinational companies, hi-tech especially, care   
   >> only about bottom lines and how to increase them, including micros~1.   
   >   
   > just about every company cares about bottom lines, otherwise they won't   
   > be in business for very long.   
   >   
   > public companies have an obligation to their shareholders to do so.   
   >   
   Of course, and if harvesting of personal information is profitable   
   (which it surely is) then they'll pursue it, as they surely have. That   
   the reason there needs to be a strong balancing force to keep them in   
   control. Our DOJ and past administrations have allowed this   
   laissez-faire corruption to continue and only give lip-service to   
   spanking them for their over-reach.   
   >   
   > breaking existing software is not normally a good strategy.   
   >   
   > this is particularly true for enterprise customers, who are not about   
   > to rewrite all of their custom software.   
   >   
   Firefox in the not too distant past legacied their XUL/XPCOM rendering   
   and extension APIs, essentially, killing off all of their huge 3d party   
   developers programs and not providing any migration APIs that would   
   allow those extensions to be re-designed to run on the new architecture.   
      
   Even when Apple, followed by Microsoft changed their desktop from   
   skeuomorphic to flat-design caused corporations to invest in re-training   
   their employees.   
      
   And let's not forget all the love Microsoft engendered when they decided   
   that just what their Office users needed was to throw out the old menu   
   UI and expose them to all the fantastic goodness of multi-layered ribbons!   
   >   
   >> Additionally, there are rumors that the new system will reside on their   
   >> Azure cloud and unbridle the user from the need to even need a   
   >> sophisticated box to run programs. If that were to come about, I suspect   
   >> that allowing people to run their own roll-your-own programs on the   
   >> cloud would be highly unlikely.   
   >   
   > that might be an option, given that other companies are already doing   
   > it with great success.   
   >   
   > if they do, it won't be the only version available. not everyone wants   
   > a cloud solution.   
      
   Agreed, I being one of them. Luckily for me, my computing needs are   
   nicely handled with what I have now on Win7. And for programs like   
   TurboTax, my Win10 virtual machine on VBox handles that fine. Gaming is   
   an area where I may have to purchase a Win10+ box since I never really   
   took to consoles.   
      
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   Sailfish   
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