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From: NIXCAPSsailfish@NIXCAPSunforgettable.com
nospam graced us with on 6/19/2021 11:22 AM:
> In article , Sailfish
> wrote:
>
>>>> Riiiight. Certainly a man of his worth has NO influence on the company
>>>> that continues to pay him hefty dividends.
>>> he was on the board until just recently, but regardless, satya has the
>>> final say in what microsoft does.
>>>
>> True but that's like saying Pres(s) Trump and Biden have the final say
>> when we all know that each of them had their puppetmaster. In Trump's
>> case it was most likely his son-in-law's father's money and with Biden
>> it's clear that it's not him designing the policy.
>
> it's nothing at all like that, which isn't even accurate.
>
So you say. Anyway, I used it only as an analogy and don't wish to
swerve off-topic.
>>>>>> Apple has become with their wall-garden approach.
>>>>> the only walls are the ones people put up on their own.
>>>>>
>>>> heh, the ol' wax-philosophical straw man counter ploy.
>>> no straw man.
>>>
>>> those who say apple is a walled garden are those who don't use it much,
>>> if at all.
>>>
>>> just about anything that can be done with a windows pc and certainly a
>>> linux box can also be done on a mac.
>>>
>> Interesting though that one can't legally run MacOS on either of those
>> non-Apple platforms, no?
>
> so what? the claim was that macs were a walled garden. that is false.
> they are not.
>
I don't recall ever claiming Macs are walled gardens.
>> Also, to design iOS apps, one must use a Mac
>> for development.
>
> false. there are cross-platform options, plus apple just announced
> support for writing ios apps on an ipad.
>
True. wrt to the requirements Apple forces developers to use Mac XCODE
to develop native apps on iPhones.
Oh, how magnanimous of them! Allowing one to develop native apps on
another one of their expensive devices. What next, them opening it up
for developing native apps on an Apple Watch?
> it also doesn't matter. using a mac is the least of anyone's problems
> in writing apps. if money is a problem, then a used mac is more than
> sufficient. if the app is any good, the mac will pay for itself in
> short order, regardless of how much the mac cost, which can be used for
> windows development too, along with just about everything else.
>
It does matter and is at the heart of what a walled garden is all about.
Whether it be paying 30% to the OS owners, or closed systems or forcing
developers to use competitor's software for web access, it all
anti-competitive turning the outside developers into working in a
company-owned environment where innovations are stymied and consumers
are over-priced.
>> If one cannot easily sideload apps, then the system is, by design,
>> behind a walled garden.
>
> nope. the walls have many doors. they're normally closed, but it's not
> difficult to open one.
>
If the doors are not "normally" opened then the possibility to monetize
their software in any meaningful way will never happen.
>>>>> also, mobile devices have a lot more personal data on them, making them
>>>>> a *much* higher value target.
>>>>>
>>>> Sure, though, not sure that was Jobs thought at the time.
>>> jobs was there throughout the design of the iphone and ipad.
>>>
>> Near the end, with cancer ravaging his body, it's questionable how
>> in-tuned he was with the details of their development. I honestly don't
>> know how knowledgeable he was with the full ramifications of the privacy
>> monetization aspects. I'd be interested in reading a credible article
>> about it is you have one.
>
> jobs was on top of things right up until the last few months, about the
> time he resigned as ceo.
>
About that article? I'm still interested. Not a taunt, simply intrigued.
>> Of course, and if harvesting of personal information is profitable
>> (which it surely is) then they'll pursue it, as they surely have. That
>> the reason there needs to be a strong balancing force to keep them in
>> control. Our DOJ and past administrations have allowed this
>> laissez-faire corruption to continue and only give lip-service to
>> spanking them for their over-reach.
>
> the problem is that politicians don't understand technology (or much
> else*), plus they are also paid off by lobbyists. their goal is to stay
> in office, not to do what's good for society.
>
On this we can agree. Less
Progressive/Libertarian/Conservative/Nativist, more Populist (no Trump
was NOT a Populist.) However, if you choose to respond, I welcome it but
will not continue this sub-thread.
>
>> Agreed, I being one of them. Luckily for me, my computing needs are
>> nicely handled with what I have now on Win7. And for programs like
>> TurboTax, my Win10 virtual machine on VBox handles that fine.
>
> both local hardware and cloud solutions have their uses.
>
> nothing is ideal for every situation.
>
Agree.
>> Gaming is
>> an area where I may have to purchase a Win10+ box since I never really
>> took to consoles.
>
> there's always stadia :)
heh, I should have mentioned that the biggest problem I had with
consoles was the use of controllers vs. mouse
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