XPost: microsoft.public.windowsxp.general   
   From: hayesstw@telkomsa.net   
      
   On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 08:41:37 -0400, "Mayayana"   
    wrote:   
      
   >"Steve Hayes"  wrote   
   >   
   >| But sometimes it will not let me override it, and the site itself   
   >| blocked me. I informed the owner of the site, swho suggested that I   
   >| try this Windows patch, so I asked if anyone else had tried it.   
   >   
   >  I think that's a red herring. Your Firefox supports TLS 1.2.   
   >If you're getting an https connection then it's working. I'm   
   >surprised that you do as well as you do. I use Firefox and   
   >Pale Moon, but I also generally disable script and have other   
   >privacy controls in place. A growing number of sites won't   
   >work for me, even if I enable script. The only thing close to   
   >social media that I use is Reddit. That works for me, but only   
   >the old version that they've been nice enough to leave up.   
   >My own doctor's website is completely broken no matter   
   >what I do. I have to use Win7 or 10. It's using some kind   
   >of script or JSON code that older browsers don't recognize.   
      
   I usually try Firefox first, because that has NoScript. If it doesn't   
   work, I try "temporarily allow this site" and then "Temporarily allow   
   all this page". If that doesn't work, I try Opera and/or Maxthon.   
      
   >  Most of the problem seems to be "cutting edge" pages,   
   >composed almost entirely of script, created by automated   
   >software. There's no one minding the store. They just get   
   >software to write their webpages and if it malfunctions they'll   
   >often tell people to "update your Chrome". That's the other   
   >big problem. Chrome is becoming the default, and I suspect   
   >Google tries to make it unique, just as MS did with IE, 20   
   >years ago. So much of geekdom are now servants of Google,   
   >living in the Googleverse, and very few actually know how to   
   >write webpage code. Take a look at the source code. It's a   
   >bloated mess, spat out by server-side software on-call.   
      
   Aye, and that is why I domeetimes go away and make coffee while   
   waiting for the web page to load, and if it hasn't finished by the   
   time I return, I give up.   
      
   >  I've got a Win7 box and a Win10 laptop, with less privacy and   
   >security, that I use now if I have to access the newer webpages.   
      
   Yes, I have a Win 7 laptop with the latest firefox, but if someone   
   posts a link with one of the now-fashionable long URLs, getting it   
   across to the laptop to look at it is a schlep. And long URLs are find   
   for the software that writes and reads long scripts, but is a pain for   
   human readers.   
      
   > | That   
   >| registry patch thing looks scary to me.   
   >|   
   >   
   >  Nothing scary. It just tells updaters that you're running embedded   
   >XP, so that you can get the patches. And it officially records the   
   >supported level of TLS to allow TLS 1.1 and 1.2. But that only applies   
   >to Windows itself and MS software.   
      
   It threatens that you could break something if you make a typo.   
      
      
   >   
   >   As I mentioned, I updated my XP and Win7 computers   
   >to support TLS 1.2, but that's only because I'm using winhttp.dll in   
   >my own software. Winhttp.dll is a Windows library for simplified   
   >downloading of files. If you make the change it might make some   
   >MS software more secure, but it won't help with your browsers.   
   >Though Maxthon is partly IE, right? It could possibly improve   
   >IE security, but I'm not sure about that.   
      
   I think both Maxthon and Opera are now based on Chrome, but I'm not   
   sure. I've never used Chrome itself.   
      
   >| if it hits sites with   
   >| security certificate problems, it tells me that Avast has blocked   
   >| access to those sites, and there's no override for that, as there is   
   >| for Firefox and Opera.   
   >|   
   >   
   >  That's a whole other can of worms. I haven't used AV software   
   >for 20+ years, but I know it's gotten increasingly intrusive. That's   
   >always something to consider when you have problems.   
      
   One of the reasons I like Firefox with NoScript is that you are less   
   likely to get viruses. And my email reader (which some like to call a   
   "client") is set to plain text, which avoids most of the spaammers'   
   tricks and malware that gets in through them. The trouble is, my bank   
   loves to make its email communications look as much like spam as   
   possible, so it always gets shunted off to the "Junk and Suspiciouys   
   Mail" folder.   
      
   --   
   Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa   
   Web:  http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm   
   Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com   
   E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk   
      
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