From: mailia.nokiamies@nokiamies.net   
      
   On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 11:13:09 -0500, morgan@LOL.com wrote:   
      
   >On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 17:07:07 +0300, Nokiamies    
   >wrote:   
   >   
   >>On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 16:42:56 -0500, morgan@LOL.com wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 17:50:15 +0100, "Kerr-Mudd, John"   
   >>> wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 11:54:39 +0300   
   >>>>Nokiamies  wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> On Tue, 15 Aug 2023 11:54:49 +0800, Lu Wei    
   >>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> >On 2023-8-14 16:40, Nokiamies wrote:   
   >>>>> >> On Fri, 10 Feb 2023 20:38:00 -0500, "AugustA"    
   >>>>> >> wrote:   
   >>>>> >>   
   >>>>> >>> But building the filters could be a full time job. The spammer   
   >>>>> >>> just has to change one letter, or come in under a new name. It   
   >>>>> >>> can be a constant battle.   
   >>>   
   >>>That's why I luv Agent newsreader.  When finding some fool who does   
   >>>what you say, it's easy with a good NNTP host to download all headers   
   >>>in a few seconds,  then Agent can filter on any field, including the   
   >>>message body.  In more than one of the headers, the troll is captured   
   >>>and deleted.   
   >>I am Forte Agent newsreader fan as well for that reason. I have set up   
   >>plenty of filters for cleaning up most of generic SPAM. Plus it is so   
   >>clean and minimal. I use old copy I bought long ago and it still does   
   >>the job.   
   >   
   >I'm still using the 1.93 version of Agent.  Those newer versions with   
   >all their extra nonsense folders and gimmicks I didn't need.  I'm not   
   >an obsessive who has to have a formal, detailed record of every post I   
   >ever made, every person I ever posted to nor whatever other  gimmicks   
   >those newer versions had that I've forgotten about. Matter of fact, I   
   >toyed with one new version for about 10' minutes before dumping it and   
   >going back to 1.93.   
   I am using 1.91 which is slightly older and it works great.   
   >   
   >The reason of *simplicity* is why I still use XP. If you peruse any of   
   >the Win 10 or 11 groups you can see what a mess Redmond made of what   
   >was a simple OS.   
   I am still using 98 and XP for that reason. There has only been   
   downgrades ever since. XP brought together Windows 9x and NT users   
   under single ecosystem and it had choices, simple UI for beginners   
   then ability do lot advanced setting from older windows, you could   
   make it act like Windows 95 if you wanted without third party   
   software. On Windows 10 good luck even with third party software get   
   that classic look or get power user dialogs back   
   >   
   >But then, What does a simple minded non- tech know about all this   
   >software "progress" - except that many times that "progress" has   
   >ruined some really good software.   
   Problem is that most people are simple minded compared to you. You are   
   much more open minded by not falling for "only teh latest and   
   greatest" mindset that people are having. Their use of computers is   
   only browse pictures of cats and watch video clip, no serious word   
   processing or anything else that computers were meant to use. They   
   think it is just snap of fingers to ugprade.   
      
   Let me give example from back when I used to work more with industrial   
   equipment: There was line used for analyze structural damage on any   
   returned products factory recieved. That was done using Windows 2000   
   and application was running on Server 2003 using custom databases.   
   Server was becoming old and had to be virtualised. I though all I need   
   to do is convert it to VHD and move into Hyper-V server.   
      
   Last time I had used Hyper-V was back in ws2008 where there was quest   
   addon cd. However this was removed on Server 2016 making installing   
   legacy hw harder. I started searching for where obtain addons and   
   found too many blogposts where people kept saying same "just upgrade   
   application to newer version". Problem was that could not be made work   
   under newer Windows server, it had been tried and cost of renewing it   
   would have meant also replacing all analysis devices, computers and   
   client programs and that would have been millions worth of cost. Thing   
   is unlike consumer device most of industrial devices can be fixed even   
   if they are over 20 years old.   
      
   Eventually I did manage find ISO I needed and was able succesfully   
   transfer server into Hyper-V and as far as I know it is still in use.   
      
   It would be good for those "experts" who keep spouting upgrade all the   
   time work even one day on industrial equipment to get cured from shiny   
   new stuff syndrome.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)