XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.advocacy   
   From: BD@hotmail.co.uk   
      
   On 19/11/2025 07:03, Brock McNuggets wrote:   
   > On Nov 18, 2025 at 11:12:23 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote   
   > <10fjn47$224n8$2@dont-email.me>:   
   >   
   >> On 19 Nov 2025 05:37:18 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On Nov 18, 2025 at 4:38:18 PM MST, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" wrote   
   >>> <10fj01a$1tbb7$1@dont-email.me>:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 18 Nov 2025 22:45:19 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> But with the ones that are "like" macOS, they really aren't.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> So that list you offered was worthless, wasn’t it?   
   >>>   
   >>> I would not have much interest ...   
   >>   
   >> But you were the one who went to try to find a list of Linux distros   
   >> that look like MacOS. Why, if you didn’t actually have “much interest”   
   >> in the issue? And why now claim that the list wasn’t such a list after   
   >> all?   
   >   
   > It was a response to this comment:   
   >   
   >      ChromeOS is actual Linux, MacOS is a Linux-wannabe.   
   >   
   > I noted the efforts to make Linux look like macOS. That's it. A few second   
   > search.   
   >   
   >>> -- why work to make Linux be like macOS (especially when it can't be   
   >>> any more than macOS can be Linux) ...   
   >>   
   >> macOS is just a look.   
   >   
   > Incorrect. If that was so, then it would have ceased being macOS with 26 --   
   > the look just changed (though not dramatically).   
   >   
   >> Linux doesn’t define any look, which is why it   
   >> can offer GUI environments that look like macOS, or Windows, or   
   >> anything else.   
   >   
   > Look like -- but not behave like. To me behavior is more important (though   
   > looks are not to be ignored fully).   
   >   
   >> Beauty is only skin-deep: what makes Linux Linux   
   >> goes deeper than it does with macOS or Windows.   
   >   
   > Not sure what you mean by this. macOS is macOS from the GUI down to the core.   
   > Windows works the same way. Both have apps running on top. Linux, I suppose,   
   > is different -- it's Linux at the kernel level, with various layers added on   
   > top, which is why we usually call them GNU/Linux or "desktop Linux   
   > distributions." I’m not too concerned about the semantics, but if you want   
   to   
   > say which goes "deeper", I suppose Linux "loses" the depth "contest" in that   
   > they all go the same depth but Windows and macOS go all the way to the GUI --   
   > but it is a meaningless contest.   
   >   
   >>>>> When I use apps on Linux and Windows I often feel like I am using   
   >>>>> apps designed for the lowest common denominator.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Do you feel like apps with Python extensibility APIs are “designed for   
   >>>> the lowest common denominator”?   
   >>>   
   >>> I am not a developer and know little of Python. I meant more   
   >>> consumer focused apps.   
   >>   
   >> But not somehow “lowest common denominator” consumers? Somehow part of   
   >> the great unwashed, yet not part of the great unwashed, at the same   
   >> time?   
   >   
   > I think you misunderstand what I said. I noted features which I appreciate on   
   > macOS which are lacking on Windows and Linux. When I run apps on those two   
   > there are few features unique to the platforms (or few I see, I am open to   
   > being educated on features I have missed).   
   >   
   > With macOS I appreciate the user-focused efficiency. With Linux I appreciate   
   > the hardware-focused efficiency.   
   >   
   >>   
   >>> With this apps, how do they compare on Linux, Windows, and macOS? Do   
   >>> they tap into the macOS features I have spoken of (and list again   
   >>> below)?   
   >>   
   >> Maybe nobody outside the macOS world cares about such things.   
   >   
   > Few would even know of them -- but I think many would appreciate benefits to   
   > user-efficiency, much as many would appreciate hardware-based efficiency.   
   >   
   >> Meanwhile, looks like Apple is looking to offer lower-cost Macs to try   
   >> to boost its sagging market share.   
   >>   
   >> (We’ve been down this road before ...)   
   >   
   > With the likelihood the economy is going to crash hard in the not distant   
   > future I can absolutely understand their desire to make lower cost devices.   
   > Add to that the growth of ChromeOS... the market is changing. I would guess   
   > such a machine would be marketed to compete (largely education).   
   >   
   > As far as sales, Apple sold more Macs in 2025 than in 2024... something like   
   > 10% more. I think. Would have to dig into stats and it is late here.   
      
   Good answers to the questions posed, Brock!   
      
   Thank you!  🙂   
      
   FYI ....   
      
      
   Mac revenue reached $10.6 billion in Q1 2025, driven by demand for   
   M3-based MacBook Pros.   
   iPad revenue was $8.2 billion, showing resilience amid a declining   
   tablet market.   
   Apple holds 23% of the U.S. laptop market, up 2% YoY due to strong   
   education sector sales.   
   The M3 chip delivers a 22% performance gain over the M2, contributing to   
   improved Mac retention rates.   
   iPad Air (2024) with the M2 chip has seen 42% sales growth year-over-year.   
   Mac user satisfaction rates hit 95%, according to internal surveys   
   conducted in early 2025.   
   Apple’s education hardware shipments (Mac and iPad combined) grew 13%   
   globally.   
   The macOS 14 Sonoma rollout boasts a 78% install base adoption rate   
   within 5 months.   
   Enterprise Mac deployment increased by 18%, with notable growth in   
   healthcare and creative industries.   
   Apple Pencil (3rd Gen) sales are up 31%, signaling demand for   
   productivity-focused iPads.   
   iPadOS 18 introduces enhanced AI multitasking, boosting session length   
   by 18 minutes per user daily   
      
   https://sqmagazine.co.uk/apple-statistics   
      
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