From: robin_listas@es.invalid   
      
   On 2025-10-08 13:16, Daniel70 wrote:   
   > On 8/10/2025 8:14 pm, Carlos E.R. wrote:   
   >> On 2025-10-07 18:15, Chris wrote:   
   >>> Carlos E.R.  wrote:   
   >>>> On 2025-10-07 13:10, Daniel70 wrote:   
   >>>>> On 7/10/2025 5:58 am, The Horny Goat wrote:   
   >>>>>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2025 00:38:46 +1000, Daniel70   
   >>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> And talking about STUPIDITY!! ..... When I got my   
   >>>>>>> Probationary Licence (so allowed to drive by myself),   
   >>>>>>> Probationary Drivers HAD to display a 'P' plate, front and   
   >>>>>>> rear of car, AND HAD AN 80KM/H (50MPH) MAXIMUM SPEED   
   >>>>>>> LIMIT.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> In these parts they have an "L" and a "N" card that you were   
   >>>>>> required to display - "L" meant "learner" meaning you had to   
   >>>>>> have a licenced driver in the passenger seat while "N" is   
   >>>>>> what you got after successfully doing your road test and had   
   >>>>>> to display for your first two years.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Similar here in Victoria, Australia. From age 17 years, you can   
   >>>>> get your 'L' (Learner) plates (Black 'L' on a Yellow   
   >>>>> background) which entitles you to drive when accompanied by a   
   >>>>> fully licenced, *SOBER* , driver. I'm not sure if they are   
   >>>>> allowed to carry any other passengers.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> When you pass your Drivers Test (You, your licenced driver plus   
   >>>>> Test official), you get your 'P' (Probationary) Plates (Red 'P'   
   >>>>> on White background) that you have to display whilst driving   
   >>>>> for three years, I think.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Here (Spain) the L is used both for learning and during the first   
   >>>> year after passing the test.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> However, during learning they are using a special "driving   
   >>>> school" car, which has also the school advertising on the roof   
   >>>> besides the L. After passing the exam, and obtaining the license,   
   >>>> they have to put a green L sign behind the rear side glass.   
   >>>   
   >>> Sounds similar to the french system; you can only learn through a   
   >>> driving school. Then display an "A" for three years after you pass   
   >>> plus you have specific speed limits. Although, I don't know how   
   >>> well this is followed as you almost never see these stickers on   
   >>> cars.   
   >>   
   >> I forgot to mention that all driving school cars have double   
   >> controls. I mean, the instructor has at least pedals, so instant   
   >> brake in emergency. Or acceleration.   
   >>   
   >> And the exam is done in the same type of car, probably the same   
   >> physical car. The double pedal has a signal of some sort, so that the   
   >> examiner, sitting in the back, knows instantly of the instructor   
   >> intervention and fails the exam.   
   >>   
   >> A relatively recent modification is that there is an specific license   
   >> for automated shift cars. But a person with such a license is   
   >> forbidden from driving a standard sift/gear car.   
   >   
   > Similarly, here in Victoria, if you take your TEST in an Automatic car,   
   > you are licenced to drive an Automatic car .... at least initially.   
   >   
   > Our licences are for Ten years. I think, at the end of that ten years,   
   > you are deemed to be competent to drive either a Manual or Automatic   
   > car, so can drive either.   
      
   They expect you to magically learn? :-)   
      
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   Cheers, Carlos.   
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