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On Tue, 11/25/2025 2:36 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-10-08 13:16, Daniel70 wrote:
>> On 8/10/2025 8:14 pm, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2025-10-07 18:15, Chris wrote:
>>>> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-10-07 13:10, Daniel70 wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/10/2025 5:58 am, The Horny Goat wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2025 00:38:46 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And talking about STUPIDITY!! ..... When I got my
>>>>>>>> Probationary Licence (so allowed to drive by myself),
>>>>>>>> Probationary Drivers HAD to display a 'P' plate, front and
>>>>>>>> rear of car, AND HAD AN 80KM/H (50MPH) MAXIMUM SPEED
>>>>>>>> LIMIT.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In these parts they have an "L" and a "N" card that you were
>>>>>>> required to display - "L" meant "learner" meaning you had to
>>>>>>> have a licenced driver in the passenger seat while "N" is
>>>>>>> what you got after successfully doing your road test and had
>>>>>>> to display for your first two years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Similar here in Victoria, Australia. From age 17 years, you can
>>>>>> get your 'L' (Learner) plates (Black 'L' on a Yellow
>>>>>> background) which entitles you to drive when accompanied by a
>>>>>> fully licenced, *SOBER* , driver. I'm not sure if they are
>>>>>> allowed to carry any other passengers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When you pass your Drivers Test (You, your licenced driver plus
>>>>>> Test official), you get your 'P' (Probationary) Plates (Red 'P'
>>>>>> on White background) that you have to display whilst driving
>>>>>> for three years, I think.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here (Spain) the L is used both for learning and during the first
>>>>> year after passing the test.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, during learning they are using a special "driving
>>>>> school" car, which has also the school advertising on the roof
>>>>> besides the L. After passing the exam, and obtaining the license,
>>>>> they have to put a green L sign behind the rear side glass.
>>>>
>>>> Sounds similar to the french system; you can only learn through a
>>>> driving school. Then display an "A" for three years after you pass
>>>> plus you have specific speed limits. Although, I don't know how
>>>> well this is followed as you almost never see these stickers on
>>>> cars.
>>>
>>> I forgot to mention that all driving school cars have double
>>> controls. I mean, the instructor has at least pedals, so instant
>>> brake in emergency. Or acceleration.
>>>
>>> And the exam is done in the same type of car, probably the same
>>> physical car. The double pedal has a signal of some sort, so that the
>>> examiner, sitting in the back, knows instantly of the instructor
>>> intervention and fails the exam.
>>>
>>> A relatively recent modification is that there is an specific license
>>> for automated shift cars. But a person with such a license is
>>> forbidden from driving a standard sift/gear car.
>>
>> Similarly, here in Victoria, if you take your TEST in an Automatic car,
>> you are licenced to drive an Automatic car .... at least initially.
>>
>> Our licences are for Ten years. I think, at the end of that ten years,
>> you are deemed to be competent to drive either a Manual or Automatic
>> car, so can drive either.
>
> They expect you to magically learn? :-)
>
I learned how to drive a standard, while driving a
tractor and wagon train at work. One of my summer jobs.
Most of my work was "lifting stuff", and only a couple times
per shift, did the tractor need to be moved from A to B.
It depends on your line of work, as to whether osmosis
of stick shifts will occur. An office worker would
only learn to drive a Xerox machine (of which there are
a number of models).
On some teams, everyone on the team is "trained up",
so in an emergency, the person intended to do the
job, if they've been incapacitated, another team
member can at least move the thing if it needs
to be moved.
Paul
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