XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.android, alt.internet.wireless   
   From: ithinkiam@gmail.com   
      
   Marian  wrote:   
   > Chris wrote:   
   >> It still just boils down to knowing my home address. Which is already   
   >> public knowledge.   
   >   
   > Hi Chris,   
   >   
   > You're smarter than that.   
      
   You're not, though.   
      
   > I get it that all the Apple trolls are desperate to minimize the privacy   
   > implications of what has widely been reported as a privacy nightmare.   
      
   Only you are making out that it is a privacy nightmare and it drives you to   
   change your behaviour.   
      
   It has no negative impact on ordinary people.   
      
   We now know from your inability to come up with a way to actually track me   
   that what is required is knowledge of a WAP's MAC address. This is only   
   known by being in direct contact with the WAP (to read the sticker) or   
   connected to it. Both of which mean you'll find out the location when you   
   are AT THE LOCATION.   
      
   You're a moron if you think this is a problem.   
      
   > You Apple trolls always defend everything Apple to the death.   
   > No matter what.   
      
   Incorrect. You're pushing an invalid narrative, which needs to be   
   addressed.   
      
   > So it's natural that you and Jolly Roger claim that Apple's invasion of our   
   > privacy is, in the words of Jolly Roger "a nothing burger".   
   >   
   > But you need to realize privacy professionals out there disagree with you.   
   >  *Why Your Wi-Fi Router Doubles as an Apple AirTag*   
   >     
      
   That's a clickbait article. Nowhere does it explain how a domestic, mains   
   powered router is like a battery powered device that fits on a keychain.   
      
   To many people Airtags and the like are a *good* thing. Mullins have been   
   sold.   
      
   The only real scenario they demonstrate as being a genuine risk is being in   
   a warzone like Ukraine and Gaza. Again, of no relevance to 99.999% of   
   people. Am pretty sure the Santa Cruz mountains aren't awarzone.   
      
   > For you Apple trolls to claim the security professionals are wrong   
      
   Incorrect. No-one is saying that. We're saying you're wrong. As per usual.   
      
   > is your   
   > own way of defending everything Apple does, to the death, no matter what.   
   >  *Surveilling the Masses with Wi-Fi-Based Positioning Systems*   
   >     
   >   
   > Luckily, of all the Apple trolls, you're one who sometimes can exercise   
   > critical thinking processes, so allow me to give you a local example.   
   >   
   > Since WaveDigger has a special query mode where you can enter a single SSID   
   > or BSSID, and instead of just returning that access point's location, it   
   > also pulls in the surrounding access points that Apple's Wi-Fi Positioning   
   > System has observed in the same area.... just... try this...   
   >   
   > Windows:   
   > 1. Press Win+R   
   > 2. Type: cmd   
   > 3. In the command prompt, type:   
   >    netsh wlan show networks mode=bssid   
   > 4. Look for your SSID name   
   > 5. Under it, find "BSSID" lines   
   > 6. Copy the MAC address (format: AA:BB:CC:DD:EE:FF)   
      
   Untested.   
      
   > Linux:   
   > 1. Open a terminal   
   > 2. Type: sudo iwlist scan   
   > 3. Find your SSID in the output   
   > 4. Look for "Address:" lines   
   > 5. Copy the MAC address (format: AA:BB:CC:DD:EE:FF)   
      
   "enp0s1 Interface doesn't support scanning"   
      
   > MacOS:   
   > 1. Open a terminal   
   > 2. Type: airport -s   
   > 3. Find your SSID in the list   
   > 4. Copy the BSSID shown (format: AA:BB:CC:DD:EE:FF)   
      
   "zsh: command not found: airport"   
      
   Looks like chatgpt has let you down again. lol.   
      
   For someone who claims to test so many things on a daily basis and is a   
   self-proclaimed expert you don't half fail an awful lot.   
      
   Amazon should ask for their money back for your "reviews". Oh wait they   
   can't, because you give away your time to a multi-billion dollar company   
   for free!! What an utter moron.   
      
   > Once you have the BSSID, you can paste it into WaveDigger lookup tool.   
   > 1. Open the WaveDigger site:   
   >    https://wavedigger.networksurvey.app/?tab=bssid   
      
   Crashes Firefox in my ubuntu VM.    
      
   > 2. In the "BSSID" field, type your MAC address:   
   >    11:22:33:AA:BB:CC   
   > 3. Click the "Lookup" or "Search" button.   
   > 4. The map will show the location of that access point.   
   >    If you enable "include surrounding access points",   
   >    it will also list nearby BSSIDs Apple has observed.   
   >   
   > Once you have the BSSID of all your neighbors, if one of them moves to a   
   > new house, you can track them if they use their router at the new home.   
      
   My neighbours are in their 70s and 80s. They aren't moving anywhere with   
   their routers. Given I get on with my neighbours they would *tell* me where   
   they're going anyway with no need for any subterfuge.   
      
   Honestly, your world sounds *exhausting*.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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