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|    Paul to Physics Perspective    |
|    Re: Why It's "IMPOSSIBLE" Humans Landed     |
|    10 Dec 25 00:57:58    |
      [continued from previous message]              skill, and yes, some luck. They achieved the impossible. And that brings me       to part three, where we're going to explore the biggest question of all. If       we did it once, why haven't we done it again? What               00:56:38        does that       tell us about space exploration, about human ambition, about our future? And       what would it take to not just go back to the moon, but to go beyond to Mars,       to the outer solar system, to the stars? So, we've arrived at this profound       question. We went to the moon. We proved it was possible. We achieved one of       the greatest technological feats in human history. And then we stopped. We       haven't been back in over 50 years. Why? You see, this is what really bothers       me as a physicist. It's not just that we haven't               00:57:10        gone back. It's       that we seem to have lost the capability. We've regressed. We took this       giant leap forward and then we took several steps back. And that tells us       something important about human civilization, about progress, about our future       in space. Let me give you the official explanation first. Money. After Apollo       11, public interest waned. The Vietnam War was draining resources. The economy       was struggling. NASA's budget was cut drastically. By the mid 1,970 seconds,       the Apollo program was               00:57:46        cancelled. We'd planned missions through       Apollo 20, but we stopped at Apollo 17. And you know what? That explanation       makes sense. The moon landings were expensive. The entire Apollo program       cost over $25 billion in 1,962 seconds money. That's over $280 billion in       today's dollars when you account for inflation. That's an enormous amount       of money. More than the Manhattan project, more than the Panama Canal, one       of the most expensive projects in human history. And what did we get for       it?               00:58:21        Scientific knowledge, certainly. Technological advances,       yes. National prestige absolutely, but no practical benefit, no lunar colonies,       no helium 3 mining, no strategic advantage, just rocks and data and bragging       rights. So when the political will evaporated, when the public lost interest,       when the budget pressures mounted, the program ended. It makes perfect sense       from an economic and political perspective. But here's what troubles me. We       didn't just stop going to the moon. We lost the               00:58:58        capability to       go. The Saturn 5 production lines were shut down. The tooling was destroyed or       lost. The engineers retired. The institutional knowledge disappeared. Within       a decade of the last moon landing, we could no longer replicate what we'       done. Think about that. We achieved something extraordinary and then we       deliberately dismantled our ability to do it again. It's like climbing       Mount Everest and then burning all your climbing equipment. Why would       you do that? The answer is that we didn't think we'd need               00:59:32        it       again. We thought the moon was conquered. Done. Mission accomplished. Time       to move on to other things. The space shuttle, the space station, maybe       Mars someday. But we were wrong. Because now, 50 years later, we want to       go back to the moon. And we're having to start almost from scratch. We're       designing new rockets, new spacecraft, new systems. We can't just pull       the old Saturn 5 blueprints off the shelf and build new ones. We have to       reinvent everything. And that's incredibly frustrating               01:00:05        because       it means we wasted 50 years. We could have been building on Apollo, advancing       our capabilities, establishing a permanent presence on the moon. Instead,       we abandoned it and fell backwards. Now, some people say we didn't really       go to the moon in the first place, that it was all faked to win the Cold       War propaganda battle against the Soviets. And in part one and part two,       we looked at why that theory doesn't hold up. The evidence is overwhelming       that we really went. But here's an interesting question. Even if               01:00:38               we really went, even if the landings were genuine, could they still       have been partly propaganda? Could the real reason we went and the real       reason we stopped be political rather than scientific? And the answer is       yes. Absolutely. The moon race was fundamentally political. Kennedy didn't       say we're going to the moon for science. He said we're going to the moon       to beat the Soviets, to demonstrate American superiority, to win the space       race. And once we won, once the Soviets gave up trying to match               01:01:10               us, the motivation evaporated. we'd achieve the political goal. Why keep       spending billions of dollars? This is the reality of space exploration. It's       not driven by scientific curiosity alone. Is driven by politics, by economics,       by national prestige. And when those drivers disappear, the programs end. Now,       let me talk about what's happened in the 50 years since Apollo. We built the       space shuttle. It flew 135 missions over 30 years. It was reusable, which was       supposed to make Space Access cheaper, but it didn't.               01:01:46        Each shuttle       flight costs about half a billion dollars, more expensive than an Apollo       mission when you account for all the refurbishment and support costs. And       the shuttle couldn't go to the moon. It could only reach low Earth orbit a       few hundred miles up. The moon is 240,000 mi away. The shuttle had maybe 1%       of the capability needed to reach the moon. So we traded the ability to go       to the moon for the ability to go to low Earth orbit repeatedly. Was that       a good trade? Depends on your goals. If you want to               01:02:21        build a       space station, yes. If you want to explore deep space, no. Then we built the       International Space Station. An incredible achievement. A permanently crude       outpost in space. But again, it's in low Earth orbit, not the moon, not Mars,       just 250 mi up, barely scratching the edge of space. And we've learned a lot       from the ISS, about long duration space flight, about living in microgravity,       about international cooperation. All valuable, but we haven't expanded beyond       low Earth orbit.               01:02:59        We've been circling the Earth for 50 years while       the moon sits there untouched a quarter million miles away. Now things are       changing. NASA's Aremis program plans to return humans to the moon. Maybe       in 2026, maybe later. It keeps getting delayed and it's expensive. Really       expensive. The space launch system rocket that will carry astronauts to the       moon costs over $2 billion per launch. Two billion for a single launch. Compare       that to Apollo. The Saturn 5 cost about 185 million per launch in 1,960              01:03:41        seconds. That's about 1.3 billion in today's money. So, the new       rocket is actually more expensive than the old one, even accounting for       inflation. Why? Because we're not just recreating Apollo. We're trying to       build something better, something more capable, something safer, and all of       that costs money. But here's what really gets me. Private companies are doing       it cheaper. SpaceX is developing the Starship rocket. When it's operational,       it should cost maybe 100 million per launch. maybe less.               01:04:16        That's 20       times cheaper than NASA's space launch system. How is that possible? How can a       private company do it so much cheaper than NASA? Well, several reasons. SpaceX       is reusing rockets. They land the boosters and fly them again. NASA isn't doing       that with SLS. SpaceX is using modern manufacturing techniques, 3D printing,       computer control machining, vertical integration, and SpaceX has a different       culture. They move fast. They fail. They learn. They iterate. NASA can't              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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