From: nospam@needed.invalid   
      
   On Mon, 12/22/2025 10:08 AM, s|b wrote:   
   > On Sun, 21 Dec 2025 15:46:35 -0500, Paul wrote:   
   >   
   >> On Sun, 12/21/2025 1:38 PM, s|b wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> The question is: do you really want to install W11 on a 15yo computer? I   
   >>> mean: WHY?   
   >   
   >> New computers are becoming too expensive (RAM/Flash).   
   >> You use what you've got.   
   >> Your OS is licensed.   
   >> You got the free upgrade from, Win7SP1 --> Win10 --> Win11   
   >> So you use it.   
   >   
   > Wouldn't something like Linux Mint run better on old hardware?   
   >   
   >> I'm running W11 25H2 on a 12 year old computer, loaded on a *hard drive*.   
   >> I use that to take pictures of 25H2 menus.   
   >   
   > So you don't really use that to work with.   
      
   I need to have versions of things, sprinkled all over the place.   
      
   That machine is my "second screen". So yes, I do use it, but, it's   
   my "second screen", it is on my right. The screen for the Daily Driver   
   is on the left and is a 4K screen.   
      
   I do Linux installs on the right hand screen.   
      
   I bench Linux distros over there.   
      
   I use the machine to "validate that yes, you can run W11 on old hardware".   
      
   The third machine, I have to switch desks... The third machine does   
   Secure Boot testing (it's currently broken and show Red Text at   
   startup, and I don't know what to do about it). I've removed PK   
   and put it in Startup Mode, and while one certificate was added   
   to it, it is still showing Red Text for some things. You can make   
   backups of UEFI keys with a USB stick -- which I did not know and   
   failed to do. Lesson learned.   
      
   >   
   >> A 15 year old computer might not be instruction set compatible.   
   >>   
   >> My 17 year old E8400 has no POPCNT instruction.   
   >> It stopped at W10 22H2 (and needed a different video card   
   >> to go from 21H2 to 22H2). The machine it is in, has enough RAM (16GB).   
   >>   
   >> I wouldn't throw anything away, just yet.   
   >>   
   >> Use it and enjoy it.   
   >>   
   >> We may see a lot of things disappear, before the AI bubble bursts.   
   >   
   > Oh, I don't throw away either. Next to my 4yo PC (W11) I have a 8yo   
   > laptop (Linux Mint 22.2) and a tower that still runs under W7.   
   >   
   > I was just wondering how well W11 runs on a 15yo computer. Yes, you can   
   > get it to work, but if you have to wait 2 minutes for it to open a   
   > window...   
   >   
      
   The behavior is adaptive. The boot time is not a constant. If the machine   
   has been shut off for a month, it seems to do a lot more scanning before   
   you can use it.   
      
   I use both SATA SSDs and hard drives in that machine. The hard drive   
   for W10/W11 is a 1TB drive that cost $65 when new. And that just happens   
   to be what it is on. I have around *ten* Lexar NS100 drives, but those   
   get mushy in three months, so those drives are only to be used for   
   3 day experiments. I could use a Samsung drive over there, but I don't   
   have nearly as many of those (only four or five kicking around in the   
   scratch pool). If the HDD gets annoying, I'll just clone over (like this   
   thread!)   
   and fix it. But right now, everything is just fine the way it is.   
      
   I have the Windows Insider here too. It runs on the Daily Driver machine.   
   It's been hosted by four or five different storage devices. If it looks   
   like an Upgrade cycle is going to be slow, I clone it to the NVMe. After   
   the Upgrade is finished, I move the OS off to another device. That too,   
   happens to be on a HDD at the moment, but you never know where it   
   will go next, that thing.   
      
   I don't have a lot of NVMe, because they are a nuisance to install and remove.   
   I've only got one of those. It's sitting in its retail box right now,   
   awaiting its next adventure.   
      
      Paul   
      
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