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   p.os.windows-11   
   From: address@is.invalid   
      
   Arlen,   
      
   >> And lets not forget, I asked you a simple Yes/No question about it which   
   >> you still have not answered :   
   ...   
   >   f. This derived linkage is not present in Apple's data itself.   
      
   So, your initial accusation that the contents of Apples database constitutes   
   to a privacy violation is false.   
      
   Kiddo, thats what I've been trying to tell you all along, but you have been   
   dancing around, trying to evade having to say that.  You infact still do.   
   :-)   
      
   > 2. How the location association works   
   >   a. Apples WPS database stores BSSID-to-location pairs.   
   >   b. In practice, these coordinates almost always correspond to a specific   
   > building.   
   >   c. That building is associated with an owner through public   
   >      property records (in the USA anyway)   
      
   In short, you need to access *other* publicly available databases to *try   
   to* link a BSSID to a specific person.   
      
   "Try to" as it will still fail when muliple persons live close together   
   (appartment building, GPS is *very* bad at altitude measurement, or even a   
   row of appartments against each other), or when Apple has "seeded" those   
   coordinates, randomly shifting them away from the actual ones.  Just a few   
   meters (inside the precision tolerance) is enough to make them point to a   
   neighbour.   
      
   Kiddo, you are WILLFULLY IGNORANT, as you refuse to consider the   
   implications of what you try to claim.   
      
   But ok, now you have found a *random person*.  What good does that do ?   
      
   My question still stands :   
      
   [quote=me]   
   So, if I pick a name than you can, assiming he's got a BSSID with him, tell   
   me where that person is traveling ?   Yes or no ?   And ofcourse, explain   
   your answer. :-)   
   [/quote]   
      
   If you can answer that one *than* you perhaps have something to complain   
   about.   
      
   ... but than the question is : complain to whom ?    Why have you been   
   accusing Apple of spilling the beans when those "public property records"   
   are spilling /whole bags/ of them ?   
      
   Also, I've been telling you that getting personal information - like   
   location information - can be bought by anyone who is willing to spend a   
   buck.   
      
   But *if* you can find the home-addres of *a specific person* - which is not   
   a given - and from there the BSSID of devices owned by that person - which   
   is also not a given - you have merely found /another way/ to track that   
   person.  Congratulations.   
      
      
   And another question you have refused to answer : how does Apples database   
   get the real-time coordinates of those BSSIDs (so you can track their   
   movment) ?     If its not the persons own devices that upload them, than how   
   does that work ?   
      
   ... An when a persons own device is doing it, why not point at that person   
   (you?) for being a dumbass for not understanding how his phone works.   
      
   Regards,   
   Rudy Wieser   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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