XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, alt.comp.microsoft.windows   
   From: this@ddress.is.invalid   
      
   Maria Sophia  wrote:   
   > Frank Slootweg wrote:   
   > > Char Jackson  wrote:   
   > >> On Sat, 24 Jan 2026 20:09:35 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"   
   > >>  wrote:   
   > >>   
   > >>>I always shut down my desktop PC as well as switching power to the PC   
   > >>>off!! Basically all electronics in my room is powered off, not even in   
   > >>>soft standby mode.   
   > >>   
   > >> I shut down my desktop PC when I need to do some work inside, which   
   > >> seems to be less than once a year lately. I reboot it 2, maybe 3, times   
   > >> per year, after installing updates.   
   > >>   
   > >> I can't remember the last time I shut down my laptop. I use sleep or   
   > >> hibernate, depending on the circumstances. Like the desktop, the laptop   
   > >> gets rebooted 2-3 times a year.   
   > >   
   > >   Can you please stop being sensible!? :-) Don't you know that Windows   
   > > systems must be shutdown/rebooted at least once a day and preferably   
   > > more often.   
   >   
   > Hi Frank Slootweg,   
   >   
   > For what it is worth, my "sensible" situation (like that of many on this   
   > newsgroup) is that I don't throw away hardware that has worked for years.   
   >   
   > My decisions are dictated, in part, by my hardware, where my desktop is   
   > from around 2009 and therefore it cannot support Windows 11, S0 low power   
   > idle, or any of the newer sleep/hibernate mechanisms. The firmware in my   
   > desktop only exposes S1 and S3, and hibernation is not available at all.   
   >   
   > Modern systems use S0 Low Power Idle (Modern Standby), which the firmware   
   > on my desktop (and that of many on this newsgroup) does not support.   
      
     I'm not talking about any 'modern' power states, like Modern Standby,   
   but like old-fashioned  Sleep (S3), which you do have, and old-fashioned   
   Hibernate (S4).   
      
     You say that you don't have Hibernate, but I think it's more likely   
   you have not enabled Hibernate or/and do not have a hiberfil.sys file.   
      
     Hibernate exists since decades, so it's unlikely that a 2009 machine   
   doesn't have it.   
      
     Anyway, with just Sleep most things - except RAM - should power down   
   or go to a low-power state, ready to resume all your active programs in   
   seconds (if that) instead of the time you now need to get a coffee.   
      
     But how you use your system is your choice and your choice only.   
      
     My little sting about being sensible was just in jest (hence the   
   smiley). Many people shutdown their systems for no reason. They just   
   think that's the way to do it and do not realize what their options are.   
      
     When I'm going to use my computer, I don't have to turn it on, I don't   
   have to boot it, I don't have to wait for Windows to fully start, I don't   
   have to wait for a sign-on to finish to the Desktop and I don't have to   
   wait to restart all my programs/windows. I just tap the keyboard or the   
   'mouse' and am back where I left off, in a few seconds (if that much).   
      
     It's notable that people Char and I, who are used to (also) work with   
   laptops, use the sleep/hibernate mechanisms, while people who only   
   use(d) 'desktops' have a strong tendency to shutdown/turn-off at the end   
   of the day and turn-on/boot_etc. in the morning.   
      
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