XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11   
   From: robin_listas@es.invalid   
      
   On 2026-02-09 19:50, Maria Sophia wrote:   
   > Carlos E. R. wrote:   
   >>> Marketing also "markets" it as "better", although, much like   
   >>> Apple marketing is brilliant lies, they never actually say so outright.   
   >>   
   >> We just have to trust the sales guy from the car company. "Just use   
   >> regular as long as they make it."   
   >>   
   >> There was a decision to ditch regular, but it is always postponed.   
   >   
   > Hi Carlos,   
   >   
   > Just like with leaded gas, they can't just ditch the higher-octane-rated   
   > fuels without actually changing the engines, although truth be told, knock   
   > sensors retard timing nowadays when engines feel detonation pinging.   
      
   No, ditch the lower rated.   
      
   > If a new vehicle gas-cap door doesn't have a sticker saying that the higher   
   > octane rated gasoline isn't needed then there's zero advantage to using it.   
      
   The maker recommends the higher, but the car adapts and the vendor   
   recommends the lower.   
      
   I did my own testing, based on mileage, and decided to stay on the lower.   
      
   >   
   > I's actually worse gas for cars that don't need it, which isn't going to be   
   > able to be measured by us, but I still think it's kind of funny that out of   
   > a million people, only about 6 know that the more expensive fuel is worse.   
   >   
   > Marketing "teaches" people everything they "think" they know about science.   
   >   
   >>> Back to the topic, a key observation is that we can port   
   >>> contacts easily if we "upload" them to "the cloud", but that's   
   >>> exactly what "they" want us to do.' Once it's on "the cloud", we   
   >>> have lost control of our contacts.   
   >>>   
   >>> And, since our contacts are our friends and neighbors, it's like   
   >>> placing everyone's data on a deck of cards and letting those   
   >>> cards blow in the wind around town for anyone else to pick up   
   >>> and use if they feel like it.   
   >>   
   >> Sorry, I do not agree. They are still my contacts, and they are not   
   >> shared with google.   
   >   
   > Well, do you use the Google GMail app on Android to get your email?   
   > (Note: Gmail on iOS, is, surprise!, more private than GMail on Android.)   
   >   
   > Bear in mind, out of a million people, only six actually test what GMail   
   > does and I've tested it (and reported to the Android newsgroup years ago).   
   >   
   > The *first* time you log into the Google GMail app on an Android phone,   
   > Google *creates* the mothership account (if it's not already created), and,   
   > in my tests, Google *AUTOMATICALLY UPLOADS* your contacts since you have no   
   > chance of unchecking the default setting until *after* that happens!   
      
   Uploads to my account space. This is fine and I want it. Does not share it.   
      
   >   
   > It has been years since I've tested that behavior in gory detail though,   
   > but that's why I use FairEmail instead of Google's GMail on Android.   
   >   
   > And there's (way) more than just Google's GMail which uploads contacts.   
   > Do you have WhatsApp? Telegram? Signal? Facebook? Instagram? TikTok?   
   > Snapchat? Microsoft Outlook? Yahhoo Mail? Truecaller? Hiya? Drupe?   
   >   
   > Do you use any OEM cloud backup program (e.g., Samsung Cloud)?   
   >   
   > Most people don't realize this but Gboard can read the contacts sqlite   
   > database, and that's "just a keyboard" (or so they think it is).   
   >   
   > As I said many times, privacy is a million things, but most people only   
   > know about half a dozen of those things which we are discussing here.   
      
   You confuse privacy with secrecy. And you tell people having different   
   ideas they are rude. No, we are not!   
      
   >   
   >>> I'm not so concerned about "breach of contract" than about malefactors   
   >>> getting a hold of it, but I'm not saying I know of any cases where   
   >>> malefactors have harmed our friends and neighbors.   
   >>>   
   >>> What I'm saying is simply that uploading ANYHTHING to the cloud is   
   >>> absurd when you have no need to upload anything to the cloud when backing   
   >>> things up from your Android phone to the Windows PC.   
   >>   
   >> I do not agree. It is far more convenient, easier, safe enough, and   
   >> private enough.   
   >   
   > The problem with "private enough" is that many entities have said the same   
   > thing, and, well, think about history and all the "surprise attacks" in it.   
   >   
   > There's a long history of cloud-stored personal data being breached, and   
   > contacts/phone numbers are often part of what leaks. A few well-known   
   > examples from just the last few years:   
   >   
      
   Then there will be fines. I did not share data nor breach confidence.   
      
      
   --   
   Cheers,   
           Carlos E.R.   
      
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