XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11   
   From: this@ddress.is.invalid   
      
   Maria Sophia  wrote:   
   > Frank Slootweg wrote:   
   > >>>   That one's Contacts are stored "on the cloud"/"in the cloud" (i.e.   
   > >>> meaningless FUD/scare-mongering), while   
   > >>> ignoring - or 'conveniently', dishonestly, silently, snipping - my/our   
   > >>> arguments to the contrary.   
   > >   
   > >   Of course yours are *not* "facts", but that's what you posted and I/we   
   > > 'disagree with'.   
   >   
   > Hi Frank,   
   >   
   > Speak for yourself please.   
   >   
   > There is one "fact" that you need to comprehend at the technical level.   
   > If you comprehend that fact, then you should state that fact here & now.   
   >   
   > Since I wouldn't ask you to state a fact that I wouldn't state myself,   
   > I'll answer the question below and then ask you the *same* question.   
   >   
   > Q: Where are all my Android mobile-device contacts actually stored?   
      
     That wasn't the/my question. So I'll just repeat it, for the *fourth*   
   time:   
      
   [Rewind/repeat:]   
      
     So your next task is to (try to) describe what's *really* happening   
   with one's Contacts and Google systems. Carlos has already given a   
   number of clues.   
      
   [End rewind/repeat.]   
      
     See the "one's" bit!? We are not interested in what you do with your   
   Contacts. but what's common on Android phones.   
      
   [...]   
      
   > You can dispute what "on the cloud" means until the end of time, but what   
   > it means is not on your personal devices anymore so that you lost control.   
      
     1) They're not "on the cloud", 2) they are still (also) on one's   
   "personal device(s)" and 3) one has *not* lost control in any way,   
   that's *your* FUD/scare-mongering.   
      
     As been indicated before, *no way* that Google would risk a fine of   
   upto 6% of their global annual turnover by taking away one's control   
   over one's contacts.   
      
   > Speaking for myself, uploading someone else's personal information without   
   > their knowledge or consent is inherently discourteous regardless of the   
   > uploader's intentions. You may or may not be as caring as I am on that.   
      
     As Carlos already mentioned, one's contacts are also stored in other   
   more or less controlled places, without any need for the contact's   
   knowledge or consent. If someone gives you their contact details, you   
   can use those details for their intended purpose, as long as you don't   
   'publish' them in any way. And that care *is* obviously exercised in   
   this case.   
      
     Quite some time ago, we had the same (non-)discussion about e-mail.   
   Guess what? You're 'violating' your contacts' privacy by putting their   
   (names and) e-mail addresses "on the cloud"!   
      
   > The privacy decency point is I know exactly where my contacts are stored.   
   > Now let's ask you to answer the same question of fact that I just did.   
   >   
   > Q: Where are all *your* Android mobile-device contacts actually stored?   
   > A: ?   
      
     Carlos already answered it and very well and succinctly, so I'll just   
   repeat it:   
      
      
   In our phones, with a copy in our private area of google servers. Under   
   our control.   
      
      
     QED.   
      
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