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|    Re: PSA: HTML fragment mode interaction     |
|    12 Feb 26 14:49:33    |
      XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, alt.comp.microsoft.windows       From: mariasophia@comprehension.com              Doing my part to ignore insults from those who can never add value,       but who feel desperate to post something (anything!) for some odd reason,       the summary below explains (to the best of my knowledge) what happened.              The problem has been solved (see the recent detailed Notepad++ macro)       but this article below attempts to explain why Firefox doesn't cause this.              Only Chromium.              Hmmm....              I wondered why this problem of pasting into Notepad++ (which I've fixed       using a macro that adds a space & then removes it) doesn't happen with my       Firefox pastes. It only seems to happen with my Chromium pastes.              As Carlos, Andy & Paul astutely and helpfully noted, apparently Microsoft       systems place HTML fragments into the clipboard simply because the Windows       clipboard architecture is designed to support multiple parallel       data formats for a single copy operation. Hence, modern applications such       as Chromium use this capability to provide rich content to any target       program that can consume it (Notepad++ not being one of them, I guess).              It was known to Paul, Andy & Carlos, but not to me, that when Chromium       copies a selection, it generates both a plain text stream and an HTML       Fragment block that follows the Microsoft HTML Clipboard Format       specification.              This specification requires StartHTML, EndHTML, StartFragment, and       EndFragment offsets so that applications can extract only the visible       portion of the Document Object Model (DOM).              What's a DOM? I don't/didn't know, but I looked it up and it seems to be       the word they use for the internal tree structure that a browser builds       after it parses an HTML page. So why Chromium and not Firefox then?              It turns out that Chromium and Firefox handle clipboard HTML in different       ways apparently because they were built on different internal models for       selection, rendering and data transfer. The relevant point here is that       Chromium always generates an HTML Fragment block when copying from a web       page because its editing and selection subsystem is based on the WebKit and       Blink design, which treats every selection as a range of DOM nodes that can       be serialized into both plain text and HTML.              This behavior was inherited from the original WebKit clipboard code and       was kept for compatibility with Windows applications that expect rich       HTML on the clipboard.              On the other hand, Firefox uses a different clipboard pipeline that       was originally built around XUL and the Gecko editor and it only emits       HTML Format when the selection contains markup that Firefox considers       meaningful. Hence, as this problem only happens when I copy from       Chromium-based browsers, in most cases Firefox emits only plain text       because its selection serializer is more conservative and does not always       generate a full HTML Fragment block.              On the other hand, Chromium always emits HTML Format because its design       goal is to maximize fidelity when pasting into applications like Word or       Outlook, while Firefox focuses on correctness and minimal output.              Who knew?       Not me.       Now I do.              As a result, Chromium produces these problematic HTML fragments far more       often than Firefox does, even when the user sees no visible formatting.       --       On Usenet, people help others out of their kindness and generosity.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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