XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11   
   From: G6JPG@255soft.uk   
      
   On 2026/2/24 12:21:51, Chris wrote:   
   > micky  wrote:   
   []   
   >> Displaying the date does not show you which file appears first on the   
   >> media.   
   >   
   > What does that even mean? I suppose on a spinning magnetic drive it may   
   > have had some meaning, but on a flash drive it is meaningless.   
      
   Not so. How does your device find the file contents on the medium -   
   spinning or otherwise? There might (I think these days usually _is_) a   
   list of names, but that only contains the _addresses_ of (at least the   
   start of) the file in question; that's why that is was originally called   
   a directory (before "folder" was introduced): it's a list of addresses.   
   "Address" here means something that might, in the case of a spinning   
   drive, be translated into surface/cylinder/etc. (usually these days by   
   the drive's firmware), or in the case of a memory device, an actual address.   
      
   File contents don't appear by magic!   
   >   
   >> Some devices play songs in the order they are stored on the   
   >> media.   
   >   
   > I find that *very* hard to believe.   
      
   As the reply has said, believe it.   
      
   []   
      
   >> Yes, I've long had Date Create on my list of columns, but clicking on   
   >> that gives a sorted view, by date.  My point was that when using a GUI   
   >> you cannot look at files on a flashdrive or any media in an unsorted   
   >> view and you cannot with DOS or CMD either, but you can with TCC and   
   >> TCC/LE.   
      
   (I thought that dir _did_ - either by default, or with the switch   
   someone gave earlier in this thread.)   
   >   
   > If you want your media tracks to sort in a sensible manner make sure to   
   > name them such that an ASCII sort preserves order. For example;   
   >   
   > Instead of file1.mp3, file2.mp3, .. , file11.mp3   
   >   
   > Do file001.mp3, file002.mp3, .. , file011.mp3   
      
   That's talking Windows or other OS. (Within windows, there's an   
   "intelligent number processor", which can be turned off - it's been on   
   by default since, I think XP [which might have been when it appeared at   
   all] - which "knows about numbers in filenames", and can work without   
   leading zeroes.) The simpler OSs built into some device firmware may   
   well not include it, so as you say inserting the zeroes may help.   
   (Personally I'd put the numbers at the _start_ - 00Summertime.mp3 for   
   example - but even these methods won't have any effect on a [mostly   
   older I suspect] device that just reads in the order it finds.)   
   >   
   > Or when using dates, always use year-month-date format: file_2026-02-24.mp3   
   >   
   Yes, I mostly do anyway - I will admit only partly because of the sort   
   thing, mainly to keep happy Americans who just don't understand how   
   illogical mm/dd/yy is (and EU folk realise what's going on when they   
   encounter the year first).   
   >   
   >   
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