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   On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 16:41:24 -0400, Paul    
   wrote:   
      
   >On Thu, 6/12/2025 11:47 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:   
   >> On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 00:53:19 -0400, Paul wrote:   
   >>   
   >> [snip\   
   >>   
   >>> In the area I live in, 300,000 people receive a B12 shot every month.   
   >>> Just, ridiculous. The news article about it was asking whether this was   
   >>> "reasonable" or not.   
   >>> You know at least a few of them (like me), could be on the pills   
   >>> instead. But the doctors just don't have the time to be pissing around   
   >>> with this stuff. The topic is handled poorly.   
   >>   
   >> I have heard that for B12, a daily pill is better than a monthly shot.   
   >   
   >That advice is only to take the load off the medical system.   
   >   
   >Pills are likely to cost more, to you, than a vial every 10 months.   
   >It depends on who pays for the administration of the shot, whether   
   >the injection method is cheaper. The chemical costs $1. The nurse   
   >costs $25.   
   >   
   >When I was receiving shots, a nurse can't give that shot, without   
   >doctor approval for each and every one. If the doctor is handling   
   >a patient, they are not interrupted by nursey while they work.   
   >Between patients, they're giving permission for shots.   
   >   
   >The vial itself (you buy the vial, clinic does not provide),   
   >is likely cheaper than the pills. And, the shot is just as   
   >effective. The reason for this, is your liver stores B12,   
   >and the tau is 30 days. That means 36% of your reserve is used   
   >up (drooping in the supply), when your shot comes along to boost   
   >it back up. If you waited three months, had no pills or shot and   
   >ate potato chips the whole time, now you're in trouble.   
   >But from month to month, a 1 ml shot is sufficient to last   
   >you for the whole month. Cyanocobalamine.   
   >   
   >The body recycles B12. It removes B12 you would piss out,   
   >and sends it back to the liver. This is why the supply   
   >lasts so long. There is scavenging. This is a trace chemical.   
   >Evolution has provided us with survival mechanisms, for the   
   >essential trace chemical. The biochemical process   
   >is ridiculous as a design, but it works... sorta.   
   >When that process breaks down, that's when the needle comes out.   
   >   
   >The biochemical process, does not process more than 2x to 3x of the   
   >RDA. This is why overdoing it, is pointless. If you ate canned   
   >clams, now you're pissing out the excess B12, because the   
   >process doesn't have the bandwidth for the whole load. Whereas,   
   >when you receive a shot into the blood stream, the inefficient   
   >"gut transport" thing does not apply. And the liver is very   
   >good as filters go. The liver can absorb a whole months   
   >worth of chemical, sucking it out of the blood stream after   
   >your shot. Neat. That's the difference between blood   
   >and gut.   
   >   
   >But we really shouldn't have 300,000 people receiving   
   >those shots. That betrays a flawed Medical Society flow chart   
   >for treatment. The doctor should interact with you, tip you upright,   
   >keep you self sufficient. Turning everyone into a pin cushion   
   >when it was not actually needed, is wrong.   
   >   
   >This has happened with other meds. A person will discover, one   
   >way or another, that the med they've been consuming, isn't   
   >actually needed. And another doctor can then test and verify   
   >that their vitals indicate continued consumption is not required.   
   >This is one reason, a pharmacist will sometimes review a customer   
   >meds, when more than three meds are prescribed by one or more   
   >doctors. There is a possibility of over-medication, and the   
   >pharmacist may start asking you questions whether you know   
   >what these are for, and has anyone during renewal asked the   
   >right questions.   
   >   
   >That's how I got off the needle. A female doctor said she wasn't   
   >going to allow the nurse to give me my shot. I had to fend   
   >for myself, use adhoc techniques. I switched to pills. I   
   >ordered the blood test to verify I was "still good" after   
   >three months. There was no further interaction with the   
   >female doctor, no followup, just "no, I'm not giving you   
   >this shot today". I was expected to work this out for myself.   
   >   
   >One of my doctors (an author who writes for the newspaper),   
   >asks people why we hate doctors. We don't hate doctors.   
   >But, they are an acquired taste. Like a vintage vinegar.   
   >   
   >    Paul   
      
   	99% of normal** people don't need B12 supplements, of any   
   kind. It's a fad.   
   	Your female doctor is probably good.   
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